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Attack on Rangers Club in Canada
CulzieDate: Tuesday, 2011-01-04, 2:40 PM | Message # 1
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Celtic Rangers Old Firm bigotry in Canada
Tuesday, 4 January 2011

A scene of sectarian hatred between Celtic and Rangers fans emerged in Canada prior to the New Year’s Day Old Firm clash in Glasgow.

Members of the Glasgow Rangers Supporters Club arrived at their Toronto clubhouse on Saturday morning to find the front window shattered by a brick.

Across a sign bearing their club’s name, the IRA slogan Tiocfiadh ar la — Irish for ‘Our day will come’ — was scrawled in black marker.

Underneath that there was another message reading ‘Dirty Orange B******s’.

Given the graffiti’s political undertones, police are to question members of the nearby Toronto Celtic Supporters Club, just a 10-minute drive from the Rangers clubhouse.

“There’s no evidence right now to link them, only a suspicion from Rangers’ club owners,” said Mounties Staff Sgt Kevin Murrell, adding that police have yet to determine whether the incident qualifies as a hate crime.

Jim Maxwell, president of the Rangers club, said he suspected someone from the Celtic club is responsible, though he chalked it up to New Year’s Eve debauchery.

He said the tensions that run between fans in Northern Ireland don’t really exist in Canada, stressing that the local clubhouses are particularly friendly.

A Celtic club executive member, who gave his name as Brian, said: “We deplore any action like that against the Rangers club, or any other club for that matter.”


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RSAUBDate: Tuesday, 2011-01-04, 9:22 PM | Message # 2
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Was only a few years ago that Orangemen on parade at Anzac parade in Canberra in Australia were called orange bastards, been a number of sectarian incidents against our community in both England and Scotland. These incidents further a field from Ulsters shores however isolated they may be, how the taigs are incapable of controlling their aggressive sectarian hatred and how they just can’t live in peace.
 
CulzieDate: Friday, 2011-01-07, 1:18 PM | Message # 3
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RSAUB. Right on the money. They created riots in New York in the 1800s, 60 or 70 people were killed and police and fellow Orangemen had to guard the home of a young Protestant who was killed until his coffin could be safely escorted out of the area to Brooklyn. The same happened on a smaller scale in Australia and New Zealand.

I remember a workmate saying to me years ago that the irish were fascists. I thought 'thats a bit strong' that it was about 'their country' but time and learning has shown me he was right. What has a parade in NY,Australia or NZ got to do with a united ireland. Its blind secatarian hatred that drives them, the parade was attacked because it was a Protestant parade of Orangemen. They say the orange in their tricolour is to represent the Protestant tradition on the island. What a load of crap. Their actions show that up for the lie it is.

Sometimes being an Orangeman in another country is harder than being one in Ulster.


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RSAUBDate: Friday, 2011-01-07, 11:14 PM | Message # 4
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Very true, I think even a Protestant republican said something along the lines that a Protestant would have to die for Ireland to be truly accepted as a true Irishman.

I remember reading that an Orange parade was taking place somewhere in Australia and they organised a hurley match in the same area, so when the parade past by they attacked them with their hurley bats etc, and that was in the 1800s.

On the other hand, I remember reading in a book called “the sash Canada wore”, that the Roman Catholics started a bit of trouble with the British Protestants and a group calling themselves the Orange Young Britons went around and burnt the Catholic houses.

Personally I believe you can never trust the rebels, we all see what happens when they gain the upper hand, that’s what annoys me about prods who yap on about traditional routes… Yes they are traditional routes, but you allow the Rebels to become a considerable proportion of the population in that area or eventually near enough the total majority, then you can’t expect to keep marching up and down that area. In my eyes its simple if you want to keep wearing your sash or banging your drum down, then you need to keep control of the area.

In the Irish Republic I look at the loyal orders etc, what is there a parade in Rossnowlagh in the back of beyond, a few small band parades in Country roads in Cavan and Monaghan. Yet when the Love Ulster campaign wanted to parade through Dublin, in the City that has influence in the day to day lives of our people, what happens, total bloody carnage with Irish rebels on the rampage?

Orange culture will never be accepted or welcomed by the Rebels.

 
CulzieDate: Sunday, 2011-01-09, 10:18 PM | Message # 5
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I picked up a book in the library one time. I wish I could remember its name but I haven't a clue now. It was about the OO in Australia and how they were attacked coming back from a church parade (think it was). I think this was in Victoria. Anyway the Orangemen made it to their hall but they besiged the hall and the hall came under fire. Don't know if there were guns in the hall or they were able to smuggle them in but I think they were able to return fire. Its all a bit hazy now and I may have got it a bit wrong. But anyway when it was all over 5 people lay dead

Your right, the OO were a dead loss when the troubles started. I think that is at least one reason why they lost a lot of members. They did nothing to hold areas,though to be honest one Orangeman told me they had to plead with the people to stay in an area as they wanted to get out. They coaxed them to stay and its still a Prod area. But on the whole they didn't seem to be organized to counter the trouble when it broke out. They were the organization that everybody looked to. They were the organization which had the numbers and contacts but they were a big letdown. I remember thinking that they would organize some rota system on the Ormeau Rd where members would go over and be put up by the people (where possible) and guard the area. But I was living in cloud-cuckoo land. Nobody wanted to know it seems. To be honest the term 'paper tigers' comes to mind.

Yeah thats right about Eire and parading there. I think they did parade in Cavan town up until the 1930s but then the usual suspects kicked up hell and the rest and there were no parades until Rossnalagh many years later. I was there once and thats right you are walking along a country road where the cows are the main spectators until you get near the seashore and the caravans.

As far as Dublin is concerned that is something we should have been trumpeting about. The RCs/shinners can walk in Belfast city centre but bigoted Dublin is still steeped in its intolerance. But once again Prods don't seem to be interested in highlighting these things.


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RSAUBDate: Monday, 2011-01-10, 1:27 AM | Message # 6
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Yip, in Belfast that was a big problem same in Londonderry, the prods had areas to run too. When the troubles really started the prods left Belfast and shifted away out to around greater Belfast, the taigs mainly stayed in the City in and around West and North Belfast, why so much of these areas have been lost over the years. But the Orange Order were the only organisation with the money and influence to gain the funds to buy up the property in certain areas to stop it falling into Irish hands. But they done too little to late. A lot of prods just can’t be bothered with the hassle of actually doing anything pro-active, the amount of people you hear say “it’s a lot of hassle” etc is staggering, I think it all boils down to laziness. Yet the Irish themselves are very focused in their objective to achieve a United Ireland, they push to milk the British state dry, and push their people towards educating themselves to be the best they possibly can.

Loyalism on the other hand is falling apart, when the time comes and say we are faced with another scenario in our history were we needed to declare a UDI similar to Rhodesia or even an Ulster Workers strike, I sincerely believe that we don’t even process on mass enough skills to take over the power plants, health care etc, what middle class professionals we have amongst our ranks to me seem to be of the older generation same goes with the security forces, what policemen we have now who would still be involved in bands or the loyal orders would be of the older generation as well. Yet we the loyalist people and particularly the loyalist working classes almost seem to be turning into an under-class, poorly educated and believe in a benefit culture and something for nothing lifestyle, ie when it comes to things like falsely claiming benefits or compensation a far cry from the tough hard working pioneering individualism spirit of our forefathers who had a sound work ethic.

I think we need to get back to basics, the Orange order, loyalist paramilitaries and their mounting number of paid up community workers, need to be pushing, self advancement within our communities, promoting the virtues of education and a strong family unit to our young. Then hopefully in a few generations time, the situation might improve for our community, otherwise we will just be left behind, and yes a United Ireland mightn’t happen anytime soon, but really will Ulster be Ulster?… When you have a community who know very little of their heritage and lose sight of their culture and start to live a secular secluded lifestyle, were all they do is sit at home, watching their 42 inch televisions.

Too me, we need to work hard in this Province are god forbid our Country will end up as bastardised as many of the cities on the British Mainland. In Some rural areas, there will always be a strong sense of community, but in our towns and Cities we need to do the work on the ground.

 
CulzieDate: Friday, 2011-01-28, 3:39 PM | Message # 7
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Great post and you have really got to the core of things. Yeah the OO fell down bigtime as did the rest of the unionist monlith. The irish catholic lobby ran rings round them though they were definitely helped with events going on elswhere in the world notably the MLK campaign in America. But even allowing for that the OO and unionists hadn't a clue. Maybe they had power for too long and didn't know what way to handle it when something like this happened but whatever they came across as bumbling,stumbling,incoherent and ineffective. They have and still have an attitude of 'we know best' and with their degrees and some other qualifications like being rich or in business they tend to shun the ordinary working-class unionist who if given the chance might show them up and make a better case for Ulster unionism. Davy Ervine was an example of this. Though I didn't agree with some of what he said,he showed that an ordinary working class Prod could be as articulate as 'their betters'

Re the other part UDI etc I would say the goverment has learned from the UWC strike and Prods will not have the same control of the infastructre,services etc. They have worked to change that and I don't think we would be in the same position to repeat 1974. But of course it could be repeated in other ways,but I don't think it will ever happen again as the Prods will has been sapped.


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