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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-07-10, 5:23 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The 12th is the worst day of the year for UDA boss Jackie McDonald.
Twelfth is the worst day of my year, says UDA boss
By Ivan Little
Tuesday, 10 July 2012
UDA leader Jackie McDonald has revealed that he hates the Twelfth — and he's branded the most important date on the Orange calendar as the worst day of his year.
Only 72 hours before thousands of Orangemen take to the streets to mark the 322nd anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne, the veteran loyalist also urged their leaders in Belfast to abandon their return march from ‘the field’ on the Twelfth.
The south Belfast paramilitary boss, who counts former Irish President Mary McAleese and her husband Irish Senator Martin among his friends, said what he called a “one-way ticket” to Edenderry on the Twelfth could defuse tensions on the streets.
Mr McDonald said: “The Twelfth really is the worst day of the year for me — because of all the trouble that happens on the way back from the field.
“It’s down to the drinking — it shouldn’t happen. You only have to look at the Balmoral review in May to commemorate the centenary of the Ulster Covenant rally.
“Ten thousand people marched one way to Ormeau Park and dispersed afterwards. It was one of the best parades I have ever seen.”
Mr McDonald said the Orange Order should consider marching to the field — but not back again.
“There’s nothing wrong with the outward parade, but it’s the way the hangers-on, the blue bag brigade, spend four or five hours drinking carry-outs before going home when the trouble kicks off.
“Most of it is between the different loyalist factions — the UDA, the UVF and the Red Hand Commando. All the old jealousies and rivalries surface. There’s not a Catholic for miles.
“It creates tension and trouble and it does the Orange Order and the bands no favours at all.”
Mr McDonald said he understood from Orange sources that the order had discussed stopping the return parade. He added: “That’s where the difficulties are”.
Orange Order chaplain, the Rev Mervyn Gibson, confirmed the idea was considered but rejected.
He said: “It just wouldn't work. You couldn't have thousands of people returning at different times. It would be impossible for police to control. The PSNI has told us it is not a realistic option.”
Mr McDonald said he believed such a move could end annual disturbances as Orange lodges parade past shops at the north Belfast Ardoyne interface where republicans protest.
This year the Parades Commission said the lodges must return three hours earlier than normal. The Orange Order has described this as impractical and unworkable.
Mr McDonald said: “I think they should forget that part of the parade completely. It’s the same story at other interfaces where there has been trouble in the past.
“People in those areas tell me that the problems aren’t in the mornings but in the evenings when the parades return with people who by then have got the drink in them.
“I am not saying that people aren’t entitled to have a drink on the Twelfth Day but it should be dignified.”
He also confirmed that the UDA was still in existence and questioned republican claims that the IRA had completely disbanded
He said: “Of course they are still there. At the time when they signed up to the ceasefires people said they had to stay because their influence was necessary to bring everybody else with them.”
He stressed he didn’t see the IRA as a threat: “I regard them as a positive influence.”
Mr McDonald said the UDA were also a positive influence within loyalism, adding: “The UDA are still part of everything. They’re not an active part of everything but their influence is helping to convince people about moving on.
“The ex-combatants and the ex-prisoners are probably the most positive thinking people around. They have been there, they have done it, they have suffered for it.”
Mr McDonald said his organisation owed it to its members who had died to ensure there was a lasting peace.
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-07-10, 9:04 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I expect nothing less from this piece of vermin.
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| Billsticker | Date: Saturday, 2012-07-14, 2:01 AM | Message # 3 |
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| An Phoblacht was extatic about the fact Jackie Mcdonald had his buddy Mary Mcaleeses husband speed up his application for an Irish passport. If an Orangeman fronm the Republic wanted a British passport would Jackies buddy help him recieve it as currently thats against the law down there.
I hear Jackie has some Irish government contract so hes been well paid for his comments.
Belfast county played a blinder with this one by sending the 3 district banners carried by 20 voulnteers to comply with this crackpot ruling. There was some moron from the residents group yelling at the top of his lungs for the republican rioters to stop as they were allowing us to win but he obviously wasnt shouting loud enough.
Gerry Kelly was beside himself that the 20 then returned to the twelfth demonstration field. He was miffed that the Orangemen didnt fall into the carefully laid trap the culture cleansers of the commission had set for them which was aimed at causing angry orangemen to riot and cause meyhem thus giving them the excuse they were looking for to end any parades there.
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| Culzie | Date: Saturday, 2012-07-14, 8:24 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I saw Kelly waffling on TV. He made a right fool of himself. Not only was he whinging about the Orangemen but was actually telling them what they should do before and after they passed the shops.
He was beside himself with indignation. He had lost it,and it showed. Once the Orangemen had passed it was their perogative to go where and when they wanted. Grow up Kelly you were like a wee boy who had lost his sweeties 
Says a lot about McDonald when the micks are all supporting him in what he said.
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| Slappataig | Date: Sunday, 2012-08-26, 3:33 PM | Message # 5 |
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| wonder how many UDA members across ulster will actually agree with jackies paid off ramblings.
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| RSAUB | Date: Sunday, 2012-08-26, 8:42 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Very true, with regards the Orange Orders tactics at Ardoyne, was fantastic and Kelly flipped on the news a big well done to all involved!
On the comments by Jackie, he is a idiot, but he gets the air-time because he is saying what the establishment want him to say, very much like David Ervine, who although a lot more articulate than Jackie was basically coming out with the same crap that the establishment wanted to be voiced as the so called representitives of working class loyalism.
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| Culzie | Date: Monday, 2012-08-27, 8:57 PM | Message # 7 |
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| At the time of the BA and before it Davy was never off the TV. If he had to pay for all that TV time and publicity it would have run into millions. But as he was saying what the 'powers that be' wanted him to say he was given unlimited time and support to get the message THEY wanted across.
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-08-28, 0:52 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Very true, Davy Ervine was used by the British establishment, in all honesty I believe Jackie is even worse while he's being manipulated by the political establishment/elite who control our Nation he is also being manipulated by the scum in the Belfast Media Group, who he has got into bed with and are at the forefront of publishing his comments which go against our community.
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-08-28, 9:11 PM | Message # 9 |
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| You might remember me saying about how in an industrail dispute at work those who stood their ground while others had threw the towel in were now saw as the 'bad guys' for staying true. Looks something like the same is happening here.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-08-30, 10:31 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Very true, it has now reached the stage where people who still hold true to their beliefs and principles are the big bad guys/bigot (the popular buzz word)but the old saying that your better being hated for what you are, rather than loved for something your not is very true.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-10-04, 3:48 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Was Mc Donald out for the Ulster Covenant parade or is that second on the list as his worst day of the year.
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| RSAUB | Date: Saturday, 2012-10-06, 7:21 AM | Message # 12 |
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| He probably had a wee walk round to City hall then got in his very nice car for a wee lunch appointment with the provos 
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| Culzie | Date: Monday, 2012-10-15, 5:01 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I see it made the Ulster Covenant parade. So of course it must be OK  Trying to make up for the gaffe he made and work his way back into the 'good books'maybe. But then I don't think these guys had any real interest in loyalism and Ulster before the troubles started. Just a means for them to follow their own agenda.
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-10-16, 10:31 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Aye, nothing short of bootboys, who joined organisations to boast their own egos. Easier to stand in the bar with your chest buffed out as one of the hard lads, than just as a normal punter.
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-10-16, 8:59 PM | Message # 15 |
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| About sums it up. 
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