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A New Sandy Row Revival or
CulzieDate: Thursday, 2011-01-20, 9:25 PM | Message # 1
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Just wondering will this be the re-generation of Sandy Row or its end as we knew it.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news....07.html


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RSAUBDate: Friday, 2011-01-21, 10:32 PM | Message # 2
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The name of the journalist?........... Jesus could ya get a more Irish name if you tried?

Sounds to me like its destruction as a loyalist area.

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The completion of this master plan will culminate in a change of perception for the outsider and allow for the creation of "new history".

That's a quote from one the articles, what exactly do they mean by new history?... Surely not the cultural destruction of such a historic part of Belfast, turned into some trendy hole like Botanic?... The Royal and the Rangers turned into trendy wine bars?

 
CulzieDate: Sunday, 2011-01-23, 3:25 PM | Message # 3
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I think you've sassed it out there. It does look as though it is going to change in that direction. It does mention 160 new homes. But these could include the 'living over the shops' plan which ain't exactly encouragment for young people starting of with kids in the family. They seem also to focus on space. Days hotel car-park space is referred to as 'transitional' whatever that means in their thinking. There is a refrerence to this being used as a market-place and there is also mention of allotments. I don't think there is any mention of house building on the cityside though as I said before there are a few houses supposed to be planned for Albion St.

SPACE

The New Row
After this, there will be commercial expansion and social housing which will lead to possible introduction of schools.

The completion of this master plan will culminate in a change of perception for the outsider and allow for the creation of "new history".

Sandy Row has become neglected and is in need of attention. There is simply no substitute for the physical SPACES of public assembly.
Public SPACE is the lever by which urban design works on the city, by which the subtle relations of public and private are nourished.
A network of pedestrian connections links all the public facilities in and around the combined public SPACE and commercial area. The platform performs as a collector of people.
There is simply no substitute for the physical SPACE of public assembly.

A network of pedestrian connections links all the public facilities in and around the combined public SPACE and commercial area
by supplying allotments. This will, in turn, help to educate a new generation of users.

The second of our agendas is to increase the density of the area by filling unused plots along the main street front and proposing that Sandy Row increases its building height to include accommodation above shop fronts.
Lastly we propose new physical measures to link Sandy Row with the rest of Belfast. This will include improved connections to Europa bus and train terminal, a TRANSITIONAL ZONE on the site of the Days Hotel car park and a greenway project that runs along the railway line and opens up new pedestrian routes to the south and west.

Our proposals are: to develop green SPACES to emphasise existing community ties, to develop the main street of Sandy Row with a public square and new commercial outlets directly relating to the needs of the community, to develop education facilities to work with the Linfield Business Park and to create additional residential housing that actually relates to the community.
We plan to instigate this improvement through the inclusion of a much needed community SPACE, sited on the current over-expansive Days Hotel car park.


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RSAUBDate: Monday, 2011-01-24, 0:11 AM | Message # 4
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What ever happens, I think they will look to develop the commercial potential of that part of inner city Belfast and nothing or very little at all to benefit the actual community that lives there. They will do a few token jesters off-course, build a few new homes, but who’s to say they will go to local people?.. Plenty of foreigners and Roman Catholics on the waiting list in South Belfast plus the main housing office a few years ago in South Belfast is a Roman Catholic, although that may have changed within the last 3 years but I doubt it.
 
SlappataigDate: Monday, 2011-01-24, 12:54 PM | Message # 5
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^same as Dungannons' executive. All RC staff.
 
CulzieDate: Monday, 2011-01-24, 2:22 PM | Message # 6
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Nothing bodes to well for the future of the Row,but lets be honest about it the people themselves don't seem to be too concerned. They don't seem to have the fighting spirit of those who went before them and they don't press their politicans long and hard enough.

Just looking at some photos of old Sandy Row. One was of the Queens visit in 1952 (think it was) the photograph was of the Royal car heading towards the Boyne Bridge. The Boyne bridge was a sea of faces right to its highest point. It resembled the crowd on the terracing at a big football match and the crowds were thick on the pavements at each side too. Another one was of King Billy on a white horse. This time at the other end of Sandy Row and King Billy approaching the Lisburn Rd the crowds once again were thick on the ground and stretching back behind Billy was another sea of faces. That was in the 1930s I believe.

I have put together a wee bit of a video about Sandy Row. One of the fellas who got it off me is a nephew of the late Hector Millen who was one of those who did fight Sandy Row's corner when it was coming under the gerrymander. They did save some of it,but more was lost than saved.


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CulzieDate: Tuesday, 2011-01-25, 3:32 PM | Message # 7
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Some of the report from the Telegraph. It was a bit long so just some of it here. But all though it there was no mention of housing. Seems to be more about space as the other report was too.

B.T. Friday,January,21

VISIONS OF THE FUTURE FOR RUNDOWN SANDY ROW

The students 12 designs - ranging from green spaces and sports centres to new schools and transport links focus on how locals want Sandy Row to change.

Third year student Megan White (20) from Bangor,said it was ''inspirational'' to be part of the project, ''People have so many memories on their street of growing up there and living there. Thats whats important to people on Sandy Row'' she said.

Megan's group project, Regrowth, focused on creating public spaces,Pedestrianised streets and allotments for local people to use.

Charmaine Lyttle of the Sandy Row Community Forum said the project had produced a great boost for the area, ''The plan they put in place is definitely a guide we'd use for regenerating the area. It helps people see how the street should look'' she said,

The student's plans will be exhibited on local buildings when their course ends in June.

Seems to me they are once again being 'fobbed off' with something thats not getting to the core of whats needed.

Maybe some good in it. But there is far too much talk of spaces,green areas,allotments,pedestrianised areas,(and in the other report) a 'square' market place, 'transitional' area,roads and transport links. Ormeau Rd residents refused to let them widen the Ormeau Rd as it would mean the loss of a two or three houses on each of the streets which ran off the Ormeau Rd. And of course the old rugby and cricket ground on the Ormeau Rd which was earmarked for Retail and Office developement is now a housing estate. So they got their way. But it seems the Row (like other loyalist areas) is an easy touch. 'Ach they'll accept anything'.

'Have we lost the doughty spirit that our forefathers had' ran the words of an old Orange/ loyalist song. In some cases I would say ...yes we have.


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CulzieDate: Tuesday, 2011-01-25, 5:34 PM | Message # 8
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^same as Dungannons' executive. All RC staff.

Oh of course that sort of thing never ever happend before except from the unionist side. rolleyes Of course all they have to do is to get the British guilt factor going,and the British are a sucker for that ploy.


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CulzieDate: Wednesday, 2012-11-14, 3:16 PM | Message # 9
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Could this work to the advantage of those seeking to have social housing being built in Sandy Row?

7 November 2012 Last updated at 17:59 Housing Executive wins first stage of court battle with Lord Rana[/size] By Julian O'Neill

The Housing Executive has won the first stage of a court case that may end with it seizing land back from a prominent Belfast businessman.
It wants to take back a 2.6 acre site off Sandy Row in Belfast city centre and pursue the developer for damages for trespass and breach of contract.
Lord Diljit Rana's company, Lincoln Centre Belfast Limited, was granted control of the land in 1998.
It was part of a deal worth £3.6m but it has failed to develop it as agreed.
Instead it has been operating as a car park without proper planning approval.

There has been legal action dating back many years over the site, which is beside Lord Rana's Days Hotel on Hope Street.
But the issue came to a head when both sides served High Court writs on one another in 2010 and recently a judge ruled on the case.
The Housing Executive had become concerned at a lack of progress on a proposed 11-storey office development.
Hearing
The original plan envisaged it incorporating an underground car park, but due to costs Lord Rana's company sought to change the design.
Instead it proposed an overground, multi-storey car park.
A High Court hearing heard the Housing Executive sought to terminate the agreement, arguing the changes would mean "a lower quality scheme not meeting the original objectives".
A judge ruled in its favour, saying it was not obliged to consider the major alteration.

He said: "Developers take on risks.
"They take the benefit if the market rises but must face the consequences if it falls."
A further hearing is scheduled next week.
A Housing Executive spokesman said it was too early to comment.

Lord Rana's office did not respond to a request for a statement.
Earlier this month, Lincoln Centre lost an appeal to the Planning Appeals Commission over its existing car park.
In a statement on Wednesday, the Department of Environment said the car park at Great Victoria Street/Hope Street did not have planning permission.

It said an enforcement investigation was opened in October 2010 and a formal enforcement notice was served on 29 November 2011. It added that the notice requested the cessation of this use of the car park.
"Under the planning legislation people have the right to appeal enforcement proceedings to the Planning Appeals Commission (PAC)," the statement said.
"The PAC is independent of DoE planning.
"The enforcement notice was subsequently appealed to the PAC and the enforcement notice was upheld on 5 November 2012."

The DoE said the timeframe to comply with the enforcement notice was six weeks.
"DoE will require full compliance," it said.
"If not there will be further action to compel compliance."


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RSAUBDate: Wednesday, 2012-11-14, 4:00 PM | Message # 10
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If they want the land then they must be looking to built social housing on the land, hears hoping and not another disaster being built like the hostel and flats at the top of Sandy row were you have all kinds of scumbags living in them.
 
CulzieDate: Wednesday, 2012-11-14, 6:39 PM | Message # 11
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Yeah for Sandy Row people and their connections who may be living in other places and not outsiders who are not going to help make it a better place for people to live in. They have to build the houses big enough for a family to live in and rear kids. I called at a fella's house in Sandy Row and honestly you could hardly move in it. It was very small. There's only him living in it now,his wife having died a few years ago. I'm only going by the downstairs room. It was very small.

Yes, as you said,If the Housing Executive are after it then you'd think it would be for housing they were wanting it. Hope the people in Sandy Row rally round and makes their voice heard. And then its on to Gilpins ground next. smile


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