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RSAUBDate: Tuesday, 2011-04-05, 10:05 PM | Message # 16
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That’s the one with Harrison Ford and Sean Bean. Didn’t show them up to badly, made them look very professional, if not a pack of murderers. That is exactly it, half the plastic paddies in America who support the IRA are brought on stories from their grandfathers knee, and propaganda and we all know how the Irish like to spin a good yarn.

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That’s the one with Harrison Ford and Sean Bean. Didn’t show them up to badly, made them look very professional, if not a pack of murderers. That is exactly it, half the plastic paddies in America who support the IRA are brought on stories from their grandfathers knee, and propaganda and we all know how the Irish like to spin a good yarn.

I think the reason that film never made it, was probably because it showed the Republicans up in a bad light, and back in the early 80’s that just couldn’t do, when the big bad Brits were seen as prime-evil, especially at that time with all the Blanket protests, before leading on to the hunger strikes in 81.

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Title: The Outsider
Country of Origin: Holland ?
Year of Production: 1979
Running Time: 128 mins
Director: Tony Luraschi
Producer: Philippe Modave
Screenplay/Script: Tony Luraschi (based on the novel 'The Heritage of Michael Flaherty' by Colin Leinster)
Cast: Craig Wasson (Michael Flaherty), Sterling Hayden (Seamus Flaherty), Patricia Quinn (Siobhan), Niall O'Brien (Emmet Donovan), T.P. McKenna (John Russell), Ray McAnally (Mac Whirter), Niall Toibin (Farmer), Frank Grimes (Tony Coyle), Elizabeth Begley (Mrs. Cochran), Bosco Hogan (Finbar Donovan).
Location: Dublin and Detroit USA
Production Company: Cinematic Arts B V; Paramount Pictures
Abstract: The conflict between the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and the British Army in Northern Ireland provides the backdrop for this drama set in the early 1970s. Michael Flaherty (Craig Wasson) is an American of Irish descent who, after returning home from a tour of duty in Vietnam, is deciding what to do with his life. Since his childhood, Michael's grandfather Seamus (Sterling Hayden) has told him of his glorious younger days in Ireland, when he fought against the British with the IRA. Michael decides to go to Belfast to help the fight to end British rule, but he soon finds out that he's not welcomed by many of the locals. He's considered more important as a symbol than as a soldier or an activist - so much so that the IRA plans to have him killed in a way that can be blamed on British forces in order to help elicit financial support from wealthy Americans.
[The Outsider was withdrawn from the 1980 London Film Festival on the pretext that it was not technically up to standard.]

Now we know why this film never mader it to the big screens!

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CulzieDate: Thursday, 2011-04-07, 2:48 PM | Message # 17
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Just a few lines from the book.

''Above the building a Union Jack dangled in the still air. Bastards.Irish soil,not English. Emmett turned and spat.''

Emmetts wrong on both assertions. Its not Irish and its not English. Ullish and British more like.

Pat another character (or it may be the author) is more definitive '' tapping his pencil on the map at the spot where Emmett now lay waiting,a hill that straddled the border between the Republic of Ireland and British-ruled Ulster''

Another part touches on republicans in the BA.

''Pat always makes his bed'' he said ''Its a hangover from the British Army.'' ''Was Pat in the British Army?'' ''He was, He'll probably tell you about it,'' said Emmett.

And so he does.

''What about you,Pat? How long have you been in the IRA ? ''Oh since the fifties. My family have always been Republican,of course and I joined when I was seventeen. I wanted to start shooting British soldiers right away,but instead of that my first orders were to join the British Army.'' ''Why was that?''

''Oh they wanted to know where the British Army kept things in England,what the security was on armouries and that sort of thing. I was with the East Anglicans,which is funny because they're up north right now.'' ''Id just found my feet when the campaign was called off and there I was stuck in the army. Took me six months to get out,too''

Just a book of fiction I know but I think it does contain a semblance of how things would operate within the ira. The old granda in America had the young lad brain-washed with stories of his days of murdering policemen etc. He presented it as a glorious thing to be doing.

While its sad to see what happened to Constable Kerr, its being going on for decades. Hes not the first Catholic policeman to be murdered in the name of oul oireland.


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RSAUBDate: Friday, 2011-04-08, 2:10 AM | Message # 18
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Nope, and he will certainly not be the last. It is a cancer that's been going on for centuries and republicanism most certainly isn't going to disapear and there will always be those who believe that blood has to be spilt in the name of old mother Ireland.
 
CulzieDate: Friday, 2011-04-08, 3:03 PM | Message # 19
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Yes I ask myself sometimes why the Scots and Welsh nationalists/republicans never followed a blood-soak course. Why they never had a murder-campaign or to use the ira euphemism 'armed-struggle'. One thing which does strike me right away,the obvious, is that the Irish are Roman Catholic and Scotland and Wales are Protestant. There may be other differences but thats the one that stands out right away.

Today the Irish republicans with all their murder,torture and maiming are just at the same stage as Scots and Welsh nationalists. So maybe they like what they do. Its in their 'make-up' in their character,in their genes to hurt,murder and maim?


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CulzieDate: Friday, 2011-04-08, 3:52 PM | Message # 20
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Great article by that man again Kevin Myers. Not say I would agree with everything he writes but he would be right about a lot of things he does write. He wrote not just articles like this (which every genuine Ullish loyalist should learn and keep in mind) but also about immigration and the demise of 'Great' Britain.

To say Michael Collins was a peacemaker is humbug: He was a cold-blooded killer

[Published: Friday 24, August 2007 - 11:05]

By Kevin Myers

Michael Collins, stamp-collector; Michael Collins, composer of string quartets; Michael Collins, basket-weaver; Michael Collins, pacifist; Michael Collins, lace-maker; Michael Collins, teetotal Buddhist monk; Michael Collins, flower-arranger.
At this time of year we're used to an entire gallery of ludicrously fictional Michael Collins being mellifluously wafted out of the Bael na mBlath clay by some Irish voice or other, so I suppose there's no reason why some tame Englishman like Lord David Puttnam shouldn't have been invited to add to the heap of poppycock about the most fictionalised man in Irish history.

And naturally, he didn't disappoint, labelling Michael Collins "an icon for peace and reconciliation" and an example of " how people ought to behave in the service of their country".

Well, as it happens, at the time of his death, this "icon of peace and reconciliation" had already started a war against the Northern state, which, in the Treaty of the previous year, he had already agreed should come into existence.

And with what did he equip the IRA units he unleashed on the North?

Why, the very guns supplied by the British for the self-defence of the new Free State Army, which he had given his word of honour would not be allowed to be used against the Northern state. To " refresh" your memories - which probably have been misinformed by a criminally delinquent educational system, and by a general social consensus which prefers the annual farrago of falsehoods of the flowery meadow to the truth of the school of hard fact - let me remind you of the truth about Michael Collins.

It was he who, with his murders of the men of the G Division of the Dublin Metropolitan Police, introduced the concept of a campaign of assassination in support of a political cause: in doing so, he injected a toxin into Irish life that has never left it.

Bad as this was in southern Ireland, it had perfectly catastrophic consequences in the North.

After he organised the murder of DI Swanzy in Lisburn, massive rioting followed there and in Belfast, in which 22 people were killed, and almost all Catholic businesses in Lisburn destroyed.

The murderous chaos moved the Northern authorities to enrol a special constabulary, the Ulster Special Constabulary (USC), to restore order.

Contrary to republican myth ever since, this was not intended to be all-Protestant.

Some Catholics joined, but after one of their number, Special Constable McCullough was shot by the IRA, most left.

Collins's attitude to Northern unionists was perhaps best exemplified by events in February 1922, when he authorised the kidnap of 100 Northern Protestants by cross-border IRA gangs.

The raiders actually managed to abduct just 42 men from their homes, and these men were kept as hostages in IRA hide-outs in the Free State, incredibly, with the assent of Michael Collins, the leader of the Provisional Government.

Collins then authorised an intensified assault on the USC.

A train containing mostly unarmed special constables en route for Enniskillen was ambushed at Clones and four constables killed, with a dozen others captured.

The consequences were entirely predictable: riots in Belfast in which over 30 people, most of them Catholic, were killed.

That, however, did not slake Collins's appetite for blood, for he then ordered a further systematic assault on USC members.

Between March 10 and June 1922, and on Collins's general orders, 38 Northern police officers were killed.

Some of them - such Samuel Laird and George Chittick of Trillick, Co Tyrone - were assassinated in their homes. Two others, Sergeant Patrick Joseph Early, a Catholic from Roscommon, and his colleague, Special Constable James Harper, were calculatedly lured to their deaths in south Armagh by IRA men wearing uniforms taken from the Clones captives.

In Garrison, Co Fermanagh, Special Constable James Plumb was killed in an ambush and his body seized.

What followed had nothing to do with Collins's orders, but it is a salutary reminder of the consequences of a generalised authorisation to commit murder. Kiltyclogher IRA men lined up to beat the body into an unrecognisable pulp with rifle butts.

The return of Constable Plumb's shattered cadaver to his home off the Albertbridge Road in Belfast must have done wonders for community relations.

Now admittedly, Collins was now no longer in control of the Northern IRA, but he had equipped and formally unleashed it, with catastrophic consequences for all concerned. Meanwhile, elsewhere, the cult of murder, which Collins had done so much to promote, was now reaching its diseased apogee.

In Galway, two middle-aged RIC sergeants, Tobias Gibbons, from Mayo, and John Gilmartin, from Leitrim, who were gravely ill patients in St Brigid's Hospital, were shot dead in their sick-beds by the IRA.

The campaign against the Northern Ireland security forces was ended, not by Collins's orders, but effectively by the Civil War, which divided the Northern IRA.

So to call Collins an "icon for peace and reconciliation" is not just idiotic, but is to indulge in the depraved rhetoric of Irish republicanism.

This invariably sees "who" as "whom": perpetrators are victims, and unrepentant, jovial killers like Collins are peacemakers: thus the annual Bael na mBlath blather.


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RSAUBDate: Saturday, 2011-04-09, 6:18 PM | Message # 21
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Learned a few things from that article, just a pity a few of our own Unionist writers couldn't write a few articles along these sort of lines.
 
CulzieDate: Sunday, 2011-04-10, 1:05 PM | Message # 22
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Well RSAUB I'll hazard a guess and say that they are either ignorant of these facts or don't want to rock the boat. the old obsequious bit again. I read an article in one of the local papers by Esmond Birnie (think is his name) an Ulster Unionist in which he told of the Pearse blood-sacrifice gospel which he believed in and which was passed on to each new generation of Irish Catholics. That is why the dissidents belive they are right in continuing the murder campaign.

But there are a lot of times Unionist politicans could articulate about these matters. But for whatever reason they don't. Maybe they haven't got the words. Chichester-Clark was in America and had a TV debate with Bernadette Devlin. She tore him to shreds. Made him look small and a fool. Thought to myself and this is our Prime Minister!

Conor-Cruise O Brien said when they decided to open the air waves again to the shinners that no matter who the interviewers were the shinners would be able to handle them because they sincerely,wholeheartedly believed in their cause. Whereas to these interviewers it was just a job

Thos who advocated the opening of the air waves said that the shinners would be shown up by these skilled interviewers. But of course we know that didn't happen. They got nowhere with them. I wondered at how well McGuinness,Kelly 'O Dowd, and the rest came on speaking as they did. These were people who (as far as i know) didn't come though the grammar schools or higher education,yet they could hold their own when debating on TV or elsewhere. But of course the answere was as I have already said ...they had a belief. I don't think half of the unionists have a belief. They are career politicans.


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RSAUBDate: Sunday, 2011-04-10, 5:32 PM | Message # 23
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That is indeed it, regardless of what they actually say, when you say it with conviction and a genuine passion of what you believe in, it hits home. I think at times Unionists just can't be bothered or feel the need to toe the line and not rock the boat as you have said.
 
CulzieDate: Sunday, 2011-04-10, 9:07 PM | Message # 24
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They let things go by default. Even over all the 'civil rights' days they seemed incapable of getting over their side of the story. Though have to say the media played a large part in this. As one writer pointed out there were factories which had an overwhelming Roman Catholic work-force but this was never brought up by the unionists of that time.

This is another excerpt taken from an Eoghan Harris article.

I can still recall clearly the night in 1998 I began to read The IRA and its Enemies. As soon as I saw the heading on the first chapter, 'The Killing of Sergeant O'Donoghue', the hair rose on my head. It concerned the IRA's shooting on Wednesday, November 17, 1920, of Sergeant James O'Donoghue of the RIC, who never carried a carbine, on his way home from Tuckey Street barracks to Tower Street.

Tower Street is just around the corner from where my IRA grandfather, Pat Harris IRA, lived at 11 Nessan Street, making him a neighbour of the murdered man -- I say murdered because my grandfather must have thought so too since he fell silent whenever O'Donoghue's name came up in the long conversations he carried on with his old IRA comrades, and to which I listened avidly as a boy.

Hart's book still causes a bitter reaction among ultra-nationalists. It challenges perceived nationalist wisdom that the IRA did not wage war on ordinary Protestants


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CulzieDate: Monday, 2011-04-11, 6:52 PM | Message # 25
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BT Thursday April,7 2011

A TWISTED MORAL ARROGANCE by Kevin Myers

As we witness yet another funeral (Ronan Kerr) from paramilitary violence,and as we steal yet more of our grandchildren's future to pay for our follies,its surely reasonable to wonder how long this nonsense can go on.

Within a single generation,thousands of people died in a 'war' that is still not quite over and which no-one can now explain. The Republic also lies in ruins,burdened with historically unprecedented levels of debts.

As the Dunnes' ad proclaims: ''The difference is,we're Irish.'' What does the smug exceptionalism behind 'being Irish' actually mean? Does it mean that we may violate the universally accepted rules of God and man and kill certain people whenever the mood so takes us?

Consider the totality of all of this: Ben Dunne of Dunnes Stores was a major subscriber to the Haughey personal slush-fund. As the Republic's finance minister,Charles Haughey had previously used state assets to finance the formation of the Provisional IRA. One of the earlier victims of the Provisionals' campaign was Constable Sean Hughes a policeman shot though the head at his home in Belfast. Totally blind, quadriplegie,doubly incontinent and an epileptic for life,he nevertheless survived; Rather similarly to Ronan Kerr.this GAA man had joined the newly-disarmed RUC, but in his case,at the promptings of the SDLP. Ten years after he was shot,a special GAA congress in 1981 unanimously endorsed the 'war'for national liberation - the Provisional IRA campaign.

Irish society's crucial failing is the lack of an all-binding moral order. The greatest of all commandments, Thou Shalt Not Kill,is still only conditionally observed: our political parties enter passionate caveats for their predecessors' right to take the lives of their fellow countrymen.

In three weeks,the Republic will once again celebrate the violent events in which hundreds of Irish men,women and children were killed. Others have used - and still use - 1916 as their moral authoriser to take yet more life.

The evil murder of Ronan Kerr was not morally different from the shooting of Sean Hughes 40 years ago,or of the killing of Constable Patrick Murphy in Belfast 30 years before that,or of the murders of the unarmed Constables O'Brien and Lahiffe in Dublin in 1916. Those deeds were authorised by the autonomous moral orders that define so much of Irish life. So it's not very difficult for other autonomous moral orders to disregard the lesser commandments.

Long before Lowry,such autonomous moral orders enabled de Valera to trouser the millions raised in the US and Haughey the financial progenitor of the Provisionals,to live as Taoiseach, tax-free,on the backs of Irish businesses.

''The difference is,we're Irish,'' Quite so.


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CulzieDate: Wednesday, 2013-03-20, 1:10 AM | Message # 26
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Martin Corry again, and this time its on Eire TV. Its about time, and I think its been men like Kevin Myers and Eoghan Harris who had the guts to speak up about these things who opened the 'can of worms' which the Eire government covered up and even more, supported this ratbag. And not lets forget it was the people there who voted for him and got him elected to their parliament. So McGuinness,Adams,Kelly are carrying on in the same vein,and it was the Catholic people again who voted for the murderers and torturers. But maybe its not so suprising given the Inquisition etc

Its been on TV and is on again on Monday night. Lets hope someone captures it.

Irish politician's shocking IRA torture revelations from beyond the grave  

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– 19 March 2013

 
Distrubing tape recordings of a late political figure from the Republic of Ireland chuckling about torturing, executing and secretly burying suspected spies during the War of Independence are set to be aired for the first time.

Fianna Fail TD Martin Corry served in the Dail for 40 years before his death in 1979.
But tapes unearthed for a new TV3 series reveal how he relished his role as chief IRA executioner in a medieval torture vault named 'Sing Sing' outside the village of Knockraha near Glanmire in Co Cork.
In the documentary 'In the Name of the Republic', the veteran Dail deputy cheerfully recalls capturing, killing and burying countless bodies in a nearby bog known as The Rea.

The previously unheard recordings were obtained by Professor Eunan O'Halpin, of Trinity College in Dublin.
During the recordings, made by local historian Jim Fitzgerald, Mr Corry is heard chuckling as he talks about shootings and burials during the War of Independence.

Mr Corry – who is described n the documentary as the chief executioner for the Cork IRA brigade from 1920 to 1922 – described bringing alleged spies to the damp graveyard vault where they were imprisoned, sometimes for days, before being killed.

He told how grave diggers (known as 'reaks') objected to the amount of bodies being buried in the nearby bog but the protests were laughed off by him and another IRA gunman Daithi O'Se when two more victims were shot in front of the diggers.
"Daithi (O'Se) delivered the two prisoners into Sing Sing himself and brought me up that night to shoot them," he recalled.
"All the reaks were outside and they were laying down the law to us. (They were saying) there will be ghosts found around this place now. There'll be no more men shot here.
"'Will I make bacon of them?'" says Daithi'. "And all of a sudden the skit (gun) came out of the pocket and bang, bang. He shot two of them.
"Just like that. 'C'mon we're home Corry'," the former Cork TD recalled.

Prof O'Halpin also discovered that there could be anywhere from 30 up to 90 people buried in the Rea bog.
The TV3 series also reveals that the British forces never discovered the whereabouts of the notorious 'Sing Sing'.
Mr Fitzgerald told TV3 that Mr Corry was happy to tell stories about his time in charge of the "horror chamber".
"He was delighted that before he died that someone was interested enough and had no objection to being recorded," said Mr Fitzgerald, who is a member of the Knockraha Historical Society.

On the tapes Mr Corry is heard saying that his IRA comrade Ned Moloney was the 'governor of Sing Sing' as he had the keys to the vault's door and that the pair kept a detailed account of their victims.
Mr Corry can also be heard describing how he meet two IRA men taking two Black and Tans to Sing Sing. Prof O'Halpin, who researches the deaths of Ireland's forgotten war victims, is calling for justice for the disappeared victims of the War of Independence.

The list of 56 victims includes 31 civilians, one 15-year-old boy and an elderly woman.
He said: "The list includes only people we know with certainty were disappeared by the IRA and were never found. The true figure is significantly higher."

Next Monday, the second instalment of 'In The Name Of The Republic' will be shown at 9pm on TV3.
Source Irish Independent
 
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news....88.html

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CulzieDate: Wednesday, 2013-03-20, 1:29 AM | Message # 27
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This is the 'blurb' they have on their TV channel. A mission of emancipation? It was simply a murder mission. They will always try and soften or lessen what they are doing and dress it up with fancy words.

 
 
Eunan O'Halpin concludes his investigation into the darker elements of the Irish War for Independence, visiting Cork to explore more stories of people who met untimely fates during the conflict. There, he exposes the number of deaths attributed to IRA activists, who are thought to have abducted, killed and secretly buried their victims as they pursued a mission of emancipation.


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CulzieDate: Sunday, 2013-03-24, 5:03 PM | Message # 28
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This is what you get when you go to TV3. So we are hardly likely to see it unless some of our friends in Eire have recorded it and put it on YT
 
 
 
http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/471/60396/1/In-The-Name-Of-The-Republic


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CulzieDate: Thursday, 2013-03-28, 3:31 PM | Message # 29
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Its noticeable that the presenter of the programme did not use the word Protestants for some of those that were 'disappeared' instead they were referred to in general terms as civilians. Its not surprising I suppose given that his own family were in the ira. T Protestants being murdered is something which republicans are not likely to admit as it doesn't fit in with the non-sectarian image which they like to present to the media and public at large.

Just a reminder of what Kevin Myers said earlier.

On St Patrick's Night in 1922 --  after the Truce and before the Civil War -- six members of the Young Men's Christian Association in Cork were abducted and executed at Corry's farm. That same week, half a dozen loyalist farmers were similarly disappeared in west Cork.

OVERALL, from the summer of 1920 to the start of the Civil War, 33 Protestants were shot in Cork city proper, while another 40 were killed nearby -- a total of 73 Protestant victims from a small minority community. From around 1921, IRA units murdered or "disappeared" at least 85 civilians. Some 26 were killed after the Truce, thereby making a mockery of the date that this State now chooses to commemorate the dead of all our wars -- July 11. As chilling as anything has been the toxic legacy amongst middle-class Cork Catholics, who until recently thought it chic to make jibes about a Protestant community which has never properly recovered from these terrible days. What you might call An Interim Solution.
We might have learnt all this long ago. A farmer bought some of Corry's land in the 1960s and dug up several skeletons in a mass grave. These were handed over to the local gardai at Watergrasshill, after which they vanished without trace. What a surprise.

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