| RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2011-11-23, 2:46 AM | Message # 1 |
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| In East Belfast it seems that the Alliance Party vote is coming from a mixture of very stupid Protestants and republicans.
At the last election in 2011, the SDLP vote was only 250 votes 0.8% of the vote and that was a Polish candidate so a proportion of those votes probably came from the sizable Polish community in East Belfast. Sinn Fein vote was only 1030 (3.2%) of the vote that equals a total SDLP/SFIRA vote of 1280 yet in 2008 Sinn Fein had 1055 votes (3.6%) vote and SDLP had 816(2.8%) equaling a total SFIRA/SDLP vote of 1871.
Go back to 2003 at the Assembly election Sinn Fein vote was 1180 (3.8% vote) the SDLP had 967 votes (3.1% vote) in total the rebel vote in 2003 equals 2147 and in 1998 the combined SDLP/SFIRA vote was 1942.
Despite a growing Roman Catholic population in East Belfast and an area of significant sectarian tribalism the republican vote in East Belfast has decreased by 662 votes in 13 years. That to me is obvious evidence that the rebels are obviously backing the Alliance Party in East Belfast as the best medium at their disposal to damage the Unionist parties in that constituency and they are doing so with great success.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2011-11-23, 11:15 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Your probably right RSAUB but a lot of this comes from the in-fighting between the unionist parties. The unionist people have been crying out for years for a unified front but to no avail. The unionist parties are only interested in themselves and their bank accounts. People laughed at me and some may have viewed me as defeatist or maybe nearly a traitor because I spoke of this away back. But you could see it happening if you look at the wider timescale. How we were and how things were changing. But a lot of folk scoffed at the idea then, 'we were the people' after all. I remember one guy called John Morrison was nearly gonna fight with me because I commented on the number of Protestant children in the schools and mentioning that the 3 schools I had went to were closed for lack of puplis. I also mentioned the situation in Fermanagh and Tyrone as regards our numbers. He called me a liar and was ready to go to war with me  But thats what you were up against. So I don't bother my head so much now,unless somebody brings it up and I get the chance I stay silent.
We have lost 3 of the Belfast seats and Kelly is slowly creeping up on Dodds. Unless there is a big change,things don't look too promising. We were well warned,we had only to look what happened to the 3 lost counties to see what happened because we hadn't the numbers,but we were more interested in having a good time and a few parades and we were happy bunnies. We are now relying on the Catholic vote even Robinson has said about him being the last Protestant unionist First Minister,(though that could be vote-catching). But whatever,its not the way it was and we let it happen.It is our own fault.
Ulster Protestants consider themselves to be a separate nation. This nation they call Ulster
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| RSAUB | Date: Friday, 2011-11-25, 8:52 PM | Message # 3 |
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| And North Belfast is going rapidly to the enemy. Seems any decent house near our areas are falling into Roman Catholic hands, leaving our working class areas even more alienated.
Very soon, we’ll lose North Belfast and in Belfast in general we have no way back in terms of gaining our majority.
I have recently started a new job in a republican area, and even seeing the size of some of their families and the amount a young people amongst their population compared to the average age groups of our community. God help us in 20 years time.
The only thing I would say that could save us. I read in 2001 census that there was roughly around 80000 people living in Ulster who were born in Scotland and England, surprisingly only around 16 thousand of these were born in Scotland and 64 thousand were born in England. I would imagine that the majority of these people would be either English or Scotch obviously some of them would be the kids of Ulster or Irish parents who happened to be born over there, but either way it still shows that their a significant number of people from the British Mainland who we have to win over.
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| Culzie | Date: Friday, 2011-11-25, 10:25 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Yeah the was the saviour of Belfast in the 1930s I just give up with our politicans they seem just to accept everything that is loaded against us. The recent treatment of students from the UK they hardly raised a murmmer about and I think it was McNarry who gave off about some English firm who were bringing over workers from the mainland to work for them. I think 300 was the figure. OK he made the point that local people should have got these jobs but apparently they were specialist jobs so it was easier to bring them over.
Reading a book about the Siege it went into other matters and the writer said how the English put sanctions on the woollen and cotton trades here plus others. This was apparently to safeguard the jobs of people in places in Lancashire etc. But as the writer pointed out if they were serious about sustaining and strengthening the plantation then they should have upheld the cotton trades here and let them close in Lancashire and the workers would have flooded in to work here. I think so many people are short-sighted and only look at whats in front of them and not the future.
Heres a wee bit about the 1930s
'In 1808 there were 4,000 Catholics in Belfast,16 per cent of the population; by 1834 there were 19,712 Catholics out of a population of 60,813. The Catholic proportion of the town's inhabitants grew regularly until it reached 34 per cent in the 1850s;by 1926,however,it had fallen to 23 per cent,because although Catholics continued to come to the city from the South and West,they were outnumbered by Protestant newcomers from the mainland. It was only after WW2 that the Catholic proportion of the population began to rise again due to wartime employment opportunities and the creation of a better welfare system after 1945.'
The last piece at least shows that the welfare system attracted them. So that leaves you thinking, would they want to jeopardize the system? If they had any sense they wouldn't want to go into an all-ireland,but the appeal of nationality is a strong one and all it takes is a few idiots and a martyr to get them going again. The ira know this,after all there was really no Arab Spring type of thing and general uprising of the people prior to 1916 just a couple of thousand or so who wanted to bring it about. But as I say the appeal of nationality is a strong feeling among people and even though there was no welfare state(that I know of) they took on the British and got them out.They didn't care about it then but now there is a welfare state will the ira get the same backing. I don't know but I don't under-estimate the pull of country and nation.
Thats great news about what you were saying about the mainlanders  Re Scotland and England I read somewhere that when Carson crossed over to Liverpool there were 150,000 to welcome him. When he got to Scotland it was 8,000. I may have got it wrong but thats my memory of the figures. Of course England was a bigger place with more people. I have the figures about somewhere re those who voted against the Home Rule Bill in Parliament and it was the English who backed Ulster. It was they who got it defeated. The majority of Scots and Welsh voted for it.
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| RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2011-12-14, 6:34 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Yeah what happened with the student fees really shocked me, as I didn’t think it would be allowed, especially when students from the Republic of Ireland are paying the same fees as our own students while our fellow Countrymen have to pay extra to study in this part of the United Kingdom. Utter madness, especially considering how many thousands of students from the Republic of Ireland who are studying in Ulster, they make up over 20% of the total students numbers in the University of Ulster.
David McNarry is a full, complaining about British workers coming over to another part of the U.K. has he any idea how many tradesmen from Ulster who at the present times are surviving by going off to work for weeks at a time on the British Mainland, and how so many of our main building firms are surviving by the work they get on the British Mainland and overseas.
Indeed you are right, about people being short sighted when it came to the plantation, and subsequently it seems to be something our own community suffers from. A lot of our own, just haven’t got the wit or even want to look to the future and when I say look to the future, I mean 30 or 40 years down the line. They are content to live in peace now and let a United Ireland possibly happen and the Irishisation and the multiculturalism of their Country happen, because it won’t affect them to much, yet they don’t think how it will affect their children or grandchildren in 20 or 30 years time. When by the actions of our own sheer stupidity, we have no homeland left of our own!
I think the Irish Roman Catholics in Ulster have played a blinder. Most breed like rats while on National Assistance, it wouldn’t a paid them to go to work, while having extremely large families and many of their kids ended up going on to further and higher education, while many young Protestants left school at an early age to go and work in the shipyard or mills. As the years progressed, more and more Roman Catholics have been educated and especially during the troubles, thousands of young educated Protestants left the Country in order to pursue their careers on the Mainland. Now we’re at a stage, where Roman Catholics have been outnumbering Protestant students at our Universities for decades, they out number Protestants in the Housing Executive, Legal Profession, Civil Service, the very Equality Commission and god knows what else, that we don’t know about as the figures aren’t in the public domain.
However it doesn’t take a detective to work out, that if Roman Catholics make up the majority of those graduating for a considerable period of time from University that such professions which require a good education such as teachers, computer programmers and doctors and other skilled professions must surely be majority Roman Catholic.
Now with changes to the Police, the Roman Catholic community are well represented, yet Hugh Orde when he was head of the PSNI said something along the lines of “we haven’t got many recruits from places like the Shankill Road” what he was basically saying in a nutshell that working class Protestants are under-represented within the force, mean while so far 3 of those who have been targeted by dissident republicans, one in Londonderry, and a police woman in Kilkeel and the Officer who lost his legs in Randalstown were all related to members of Sinn Fein.
The Prison Service is overwhelmingly Protestant, yet over 500 staff are being asked, to take redundancies to make way for 400-500 new staff. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that the majority of those leaving will be Protestant and I dare say a lot of the new recruits will be Roman Catholics.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2011-12-14, 11:15 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The things you have pointed out are all oh so true. Yes the old saying was many years ago from the old folk was 'they never did need encouragement to breed but now with this National Asssistance they'll be breeding even more'. An old uncle use to say when talking about the free state 'where the men drink and the women breed'. I think he could have applied that to here as well. Have always thought the RC church's policy was based on those lines also...the increase of numbers. They may dress it up in a religious way that it is going against God/nature to use contraception,but I think it was only a cover-up for their main purpose the increasing of the RC population and its worked well for them especially in those backward countries but even among the educated who too have large families.
The old Presbyterian ways always put emphasis on getting a good education. There was a Protestant pride in this,about lifting themselves from out of a lower level and aspiring to do better. Of course some of this may have been before the 1940s when the Labour goverment brought in its various laws. Looking back its seems the likes of Bernadette Devlin and others would have been born in the 1940s and coming out of university in the 1960s when all the trouble started and it was university students who were behind a lot of the trouble then. But whatever they have made use of the British goverments benolvent ways and took all what was going from them.
I think too that the RCs here look after each other. I don't find that so much with Protestants,its more look after yourself. So I think when it comes to these jobs in the law,teachers or whatever they will pull the strings for them. That too helps them along the way and helps boost their numbers in the various professions. I read a book where a part of it told how the KOC had its hand in lot of things in the free state/eire and how they looked after their own. There were quite a few members of the eire goverment in their ranks. Even de Valera asked 'why do we need this in a country which is 95% catholic' But they did exist and did so to make sure that catholics were in all of the jobs and if they thought that Protestants were in the managerial positions in companies they would work to get them out.
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