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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2013-02-20, 4:32 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Flaggers in America have no problem in protesting the removal of the Condeferate flag from the State Capital building. I'm told that the police are not involved even when the protests are happening in public places. Contrast that with the situation in Ulster.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2013-02-20, 10:14 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Flaggers in Georgia with Police escort
Flaggers in Ulster with Police escort
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| RSAUB | Date: Friday, 2013-02-22, 12:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Great pictures from Dixie, and from Ulster the pictures look like our police force have been taking training lessons from North Korea!
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| Culzie | Date: Friday, 2013-02-22, 5:37 PM | Message # 4 |
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|  You would think so. Even the way they are geared up you'd think ther'e spacemen or American football players.
They are not there to talk to folk but for confrontation is my guess.
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| Culzie | Date: Friday, 2013-02-22, 5:48 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Police on flag protest duty in Dixie
Police on flag protest duty in Ulster
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| Culzie | Date: Friday, 2013-02-22, 6:34 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The Flagger and the Policeman
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2013-03-03, 7:44 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Sunday 3 March 2013 11:43 NL
Two of the most high profile Union flag demonstrators have appeared in court in Northern Ireland charged with a series of offences linked to the loyalist protests.
Jamie Bryson, 23, was refused bail at Belfast Magistrates Court while Jim Dowson, 48, was granted bail on strict conditions.
Bryson, from Rosepark in Donaghadee, Co Down, has been charged with two counts of encouraging or assisting offenders and four counts of taking part in an unnotified public procession.
Dowson, a former British National Party (BNP) fundraiser originally from Scotland but now residing at The Burn Road, Comber, Co Down, was charged with encouraging or assisting offenders and five counts of taking part in an unnotified public procession.
The protests have been continuing since early December when Belfast City Council voted to limit
the number of days the flag flew over City Hall.
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2013-03-03, 7:58 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Friday 1 March 2013 12:12 NL
A prominent loyalist campaigner involved in Union flag protests in Northern Ireland has been refused bail after being accused of encouraging or assisting offences.
Willie Frazer, 52, faces six charges linked to the ongoing demonstrations. They include taking part in an unnotified public procession, obstructing traffic and possessing a Taser stun gun, which the court heard he thought was a cattle prod.
Belfast district judge Mervyn Bates refused bail after the PSNI said there was a risk he might reoffend.
The courtroom was packed, with a supporter ejected for unfurling a Union flag and loud applause from the public gallery for the defendant. There was a heavy security presence.
A police officer told the court: "Police believe the defendant will continue to encourage members of the public by way of public speaking, engaging with members of the press and engaging in protest."
"The defendant clearly states during his interviews and public speeches he has been asked to address protesters on a number of occasions," the officer stated.
"These speeches have often been inflammatory and circulated by the media and social media."
Loyalists have taken part in a parade from east Belfast to the City Hall on Saturdays to hold a flag protest.
Belfast Magistrates’ Court heard Frazer, who appeared today wearing a red jacket and jeans and spoke to say he did not understand the charges, was not accused of organising the parades. The campaigner for victims of republican terrorism is from Tandragee Road, Markethill, Co Armagh.
His solicitor Richard Smith said: "It is the defendant’s case that he did not believe at any stage that he was involved in an unnotified parade."
The charges, which all happened earlier this year, included encouraging or assisting offences by addressing a public assembly at Donegall Square North, Belfast (beside the City Hall), capable of encouraging or assisting the commission of the offence of participating in an unnotified public procession.
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2013-03-03, 8:05 PM | Message # 9 |
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Saturday 2 March 2013 09:40
The PSNI argument that Willie Frazer should not be granted bail in case he speaks to the press was described as “ridiculous” last night by his wife Anne.
She was disappointed the 52-year-old flags protestor was refused bail in Belfast Magistrates Court yesterday, where he was facing charges of taking part in unlawful parades and possession of a Taser.
“We were disappointed there was no bail but the charges were trumped up, it was political policing.
“We are advised these charges will not get to court – the charges are ridiculous.”
She said their solicitor was sceptical about the view that protests will stop “if Willie Frazer and Jamie Bryson are not there”.
“I am very disappointed Willie did not get bail but he is quite upbeat. However he was disappointed that there were no unionist politicians there to publicly support him, neither the UUP nor the DUP were there in court.
“The Deputy First Minister and Conor Murphy both found time to come and support republicans who were in court but there was no UUP or DUP there to support Willie.”
She noted that high-profile republican Sean Hughes was in court yesterday, charged with membership of the IRA in relation to the murder of Robert McCartney in Belfast.
“He got bail in relation to a murder investigation but Willie Frazer did not get bail for taking part in a parade,” she said.
“The police tried to oppose bail in case he contacted the media. It is ridiculous, it is a basic freedom, anyone has a right to speak to the media if they so wish. It is unbelievable, laughable, that they did not want him to talk to the press.”
She said that her husband had been attacked a few years ago by someone with the Taser and had taken it off them, describing it as “an agricultural item”.
“Since our car was burnt out in recent days we have not seen the PSNI or heard from them. We are constantly getting phone calls and threats and on one occasion bullets in the post.
“I support William in everything he does because he is only telling the truth. That is why the politicians want him out of the way. He is a thorn in their side.
“They want the peace process to move on regardless of what the people want. But it is not real peace, it is a bought peace. It is a republican agenda dressed up as a peace process.”
Mrs Frazer said she was receiving great support from family, friends and members of the FAIR group and her church.
“I could not ask for more,” she added.
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| RSAUB | Date: Monday, 2013-03-04, 7:38 PM | Message # 10 |
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| All this when you have IRA scum like Brian Shivers released and mass murderer Sean Kelly lifted yet again but released and back on our streets. It is absolutely ridiculous.
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| Culzie | Date: Monday, 2013-03-04, 9:32 PM | Message # 11 |
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| True and it seems to me that they have to keep the republicans sweet while loyalists can be ignored and hammered. Have to say, I believe there is some truth that some unionists politicans did whip it up.
Maybe I'm a bit of a cynic but it does save them of having to do anything to get elected. Just play the loyalist card and get the votes.
Having said that, I can be completely wrong on that score.
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2013-03-05, 6:10 PM | Message # 12 |
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| [size=12][/size]Willie Frazer's home attacked by Roman Catholic republicans Published 20th February 2013
March 2 2013 NL
Leading unionists yesterday raised questions about 'political policing' over charges against leading flags protester Willie Frazer. Newry and Armagh UUP MLA Danny Kennedy said he was concerned about Mr Frazer's health and welfare. ''But I am also concerned about the perception among some in the unionist community that these charges are motivated by political pressure.'' he said.
DUP Newry and Armagh MLA William Irwin said that the decision to refuse Mr Frazer bail was ''extremely difficult to understand''. Mr Frazer's wife Anne said that nobody from the UUP or DUP had appeared in court to support her husband yesterday.
TUV leader Jim Allister,a senior barrister,said the ''utterly different' treatment in the courts yesterday of two men from south Armagh is ''bringing our system of justice into disrepute''.
He noted that senior republican Sean Hughes was charged with IRA membership and speaking at a meeting encouraging support for an illegal organization. ''He is granted bail while Willie Frazer,and IRA victim with a clear record,is charged with encouraging or assisting offences by addressing a public assembly at City Hall. He is refused bail. ''The disparity is self evident and indicative of a perserve approach. I regard the refusal of bail to Mr Frazer as preposterous.''
Independent Unionist councillor Paul Berry added: ''It is unbelievable that in the same court building on the same day as a senior republican who was charged with IRA membership of the IRA got out on bail. To many unionists this clearly raises serious questions about a two-teir justic system,one for Protestants and a more favourable one for republicans.''
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2013-03-05, 9:11 PM | Message # 13 |
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| VIOLENCE WON'T SWAY US,SAYS VILLIERS
Secretary of State Theresa Villiers says that the Government will not be swayed by loyalist street violence and is calling for protests to move off the streets.
In an address to the Alliance Party conference today,Ms Villiers will say that while some of those protesting feel ''left behind'' their tactics are wrong. Ms Villiers said: ''On one thing I'm sure. This Government will not be moved by people who wrap themselves in our national flag and engage in unlawful rioting and attacks on police.''
She is right in what she says. The government won't be swayed by loyalist protests and even street violence. But a few well placed bombs ie.. like Canary Warf etc certainly sways them.
I'm not advocatingt loyalists should start placing bombs, because if they did they wouldn't be treated with the same 'kid-gloves' approach which sucessive Westminster governments used when confronted with RC republican violence. On the contrary, then it would be the mailed fist .
Secretary of State Theresa Villiers says that the Government will not be swayed by loyalist street violence and is calling for protests to move off the streets.
In an address to the Alliance Party conference today,Ms Villiers will say that while some of those protesting feel ''left behind'' their tactics are wrong. Ms Villiers said: ''On one thing I'm sure. This Government will not be moved by people who wrap themselves in our national flag and engage in unlawful rioting and attacks on police.''
She is right in what she says. The government won't be swayed by loyalist protests and even street violence. But a few well placed bombs ie.. like Canary Warf etc certainly sways them.
I'm not advocatingt loyalists should start placing bombs, because if they did they wouldn't be treated with the same 'kid-gloves' approach which sucessive Westminster governments used when confronted with RC republican violence. On the contrary, then it would be the mailed fist .
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| Culzie | Date: Saturday, 2013-03-09, 5:10 PM | Message # 14 |
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| It seems that America from whom we in the UK follow so much is not being followed when it comes to flag protests in the UK.
Legitimate protest being suppressed
NL Friday 8 March 2013 10:51
I READ with interest the News Letter report on March 4 of the policing of the protest group which came in from the Shankill Road on Saturday – not least because I witnessed events first-hand as I was among the protestors.
The PSNI were quoted as saying that officers spoke to those who had gathered and agreed that they would be allowed into the city centre in small groups.
What the PSNI did not say was that shortly after they agreed this the footpath (to which the protestors kept at all times) was blocked by the riot squad who objected to us carrying Union Flags.
In order to resolve the situation, one of our group collected the flags from the protestors, went back to his car and drove into the city centre where we distributed the flags to the protestors.
First of all they took the flag down off City Hall. Now the police won’t let people carry flags up the footpath on the Shankill Road.
This sort of conduct would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world. I find myself in total agreement with Jim Allister who stated that had the same thing happened in China people would be "jumping up and down about it".
I would also like to thank Mr Allister and TUV for raising this issue as soon as I contacted them about it.
It is quite evident that the PSNI are intent on suppressing legitimate protest while supporting bail applications for those up on serious terrorist offences.
What sort of country are we living in? It’s looking more like North Korea than Northern Ireland.
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