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ARE SCOTTISH CATHOLICS REALLY TREATED LIKE AMERICAN BLACKS?
BillstickerDate: Monday, 2013-03-11, 10:11 PM | Message # 1
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ARE SCOTTISH CATHOLICS REALLY TREATED LIKE AMERICAN BLACKS?
Orange Torch March 2013 (Pages 4 - 5)


[b]Martin Luther King at a huge civil rights gathering


The persistent whine of the aggrieved Catholic is a constant of everyday life in Scotland. Despite unfettered freedom of religion, the provision of taxpayer-funded RC schools and the same social and employment rights as everyone else, the victimhood symphony continues to be played, sometimes at ear-splitting volume.

Sectarianism is Scotland's secret shame, so we're told. The refrain has been taken up-with gusto by Cardinals and politicians, creating an absurd Protestant guilt complex in Kirk leaders, journalists and the Scottish chattering class. All of them have bought into the popular theory that Scotland has an endemic sectarian culture, despite the absence of murders, church burnings, riots and ethnic cleansing that defines sectarianism in other parts of the world.

Into this strange unreality steps Peter Kearney, spokesman for the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland, who ups the ante by likening the experience of Catholics in Scotland with the plight of blacks in 1950's/60's America. Older readers will vividly recall the American civil rights movement and the emergence of Rev Martin Luther King as a champion of racial integration.

In the turbulent years that followed, King was to be jailed 13 times before being assassinated in 1968. To compare instances of sectarianism in Scotland with the evil monster that King confronted in America is just about as crass at it comes, and prominent Catholic writers were soon lining up to distance themselves from Kearney's views.

Prof Tom Devine, the distinguished academic, called the comparison "grossly insulting" to black people in the American south. He said that he and Kearney seemed to be living in different countries. "Today the most senior positions in many of our universities, political parties, the judiciary and cultural organisations are filled by Roman Catholics" he said.

"They play a full and rightfulpart in national life. The Catholic Church and its leadership has a much higher profile and influence in Scotland than any other faith. All of this hardly suggests the plight of the nation's Catholics to be that of an oppressed minority."

Michael Kelly, a former Lord Provost of Glasgow, went one step further. He dared to suggest "we are all making far too much of the problem of sectarianism in Scotland" adding that "a social and cultural change of that nature will not be rushed by advisory groups, government expressions of intent or by legislation." He also listed other social problems more in need of attention such as poverty, unemployment, deprivation, education and health.

It has to be said that not all of our Roman Catholic neighbours play the sectarian card. Little is ever heard from those indigenous Scottish Catholics who were untouched by the Reformation. Of Scotland's Italian Catholics we only seem to hear how clever they are and how successful they've been. Then, of course, there's that most recent flood of Catholicism into Scotland - the Poles - who appear to have settled in nicely with no complaints.

The noise, deafening and unremitting, comes almost exclusively from descendants of those who came from Ireland in search of work in the-Iate-l9th century-and earlypart-of the 20th century. Blending in with the indigenous Scots was not one of their strengths.

It was in the nature of the Irish to keep their own sense of community and preserve their own customs. To the energetic building of chapels and schools can be added the creation of exclusively Catholic guilds in work places and professions, social clubs and even football teams.

And, of course, the Irish also brought their persecution complex, a deep-seated sense of grievance that the Scots (who also-endured famine, dispossession, forced migration and grinding poverty) have long since shrugged off. Kearney's moment of madness was an indication of just how enduring is this perverse sense of victimhood.

MR KEARNEY  SHOULD TRY OUT HIS THEORY IN MISSISSIPPI
ORANGE TORCH MARCH 2013 (PAGE 5)
A trip to the American South gives the editor first hand experience of the hatred and intolerance once  endured by Black Americans[/b]

A memorial to nine black youngsters forcibly prevented from attending a."white's only" school in Arkansas


Just as Peter Kearney was wedging his foot firmly in his mouth by comparing the treatment of Scots Catholics with that of American blacks, the birthday girl and I were somewhere over the Atlantic, heading for a dream holiday that would embrace the musical heritage of the American south.

In between landing in New Orleans and setting off home again from Nashville were 15 days of Creole jazz, black gospel, Cajun folksongs, Bluegrass hoedowns and Grand Ole Opry. The trip would take us through Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Tennessee, all of them places associated with the struggle of black people to overcome the years of shameful treatment that followed the ending of slavery in 1865.

Our musical quest took us through Neworlans streets where legendary stars of jazz like Louis "Satchmo" Armstrong and Antoine "Fats" Domino got their start. We walked Beale Street in Memphis where black Blues singers, denied access to white cafe bars, would perform.

And we were among a predominantly black congregation in the Memphis Full Gospel Tabernacle to hear Rev Al "I'm still in love with you" Green preach and sing.

Desmond Tutu meets Mrs Rosa Parks

Martin Luther King Day occurred during our stay, a poignant national tribute to one of the most influential voices against racial discrimination, tragically gunned down in Memphis by a white supremacist. The treatment meted out to black Americans was
once legitimised in many southern States by the "Jim Crow Laws" enforcing racial segregation in public places.

It was the refusal of Mrs Rosa Parks to give up her bus seat to a white man in 1955 Alabama, and her subsequent arrest and conviction for the" crime", that sparked off the civil rights movement.

Anyone tempted to follow Peter Kearney down the road of suggesting that Roman Catholics in Scotland have ever experienced the privations and indignities of American blacks might like to inform us when Scottish Catholics were ever terrorised out of voting in elections or from going to school?

When did they ever experience "Protestant only" areas in public parks, bars, restaurants, buses and toilets? And when did Protestant terror gangs ever burn their churches to the ground or lynch them for being of the "wrong" religion?

Kearney's comparison was an outrage that damaged his credibility, notably with fellow Catholics who were quick to dissociate from his views. He could benefit from taking our trip through the southern United States, where he'd see many a plaintive reminder of the raw hatred and intolerance that does not exist, and has never existed in Scotland.

He'd also get a sense that the bad old days for American blacks are not entirely over. We witnessed a huge parade to mark Martin Luther King Day. The only white faces to be seen, other than our own, were the eager young Star bucks staffers who were handing out free coffee. Clearly America still has a long way to go before all of its history and heritage is truly celebrated by all of its citizens.


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Comparing the experiences of Scottish Catholics and American Black individuals involves recognizing different historical, social, and cultural contexts. Each group has faced unique forms of discrimination and prejudice, making a direct comparison challenging and potentially oversimplified.

Scottish Catholics historically faced discrimination, particularly during the Reformation and subsequent periods when they were marginalized and subject to laws restricting their religious practices. However, comparing this to the systemic and deeply ingrained racial discrimination faced by African Americans in the United States is a complex matter.

African Americans have endured centuries of slavery, segregation, institutional racism, and ongoing systemic biases that have profoundly impacted their socio-economic, political, and educational opportunities. The struggle for civil rights and racial equality in the United States is distinct from the religious discrimination faced by Scottish Catholics.

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