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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-05-01, 6:52 PM | Message # 1 |
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| McGuinness wants British mainland people to break the link with NI
McGuinness calls for end to UK link
Tuesday, 1 May 2012
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness says that Northern Ireland can govern itself
Martin McGuinness has called on people in Britain to press the Government to end its constitutional link with Northern Ireland.
Sinn Fein's Deputy First Minister with the power-sharing executive in Belfast also questioned the need for the continued existence of a Secretary of State.
The transfer of remaining powers would be a massive vote of confidence in the political institutions as well as a massive saving to the Exchequer.
In an address at the London School of Economics, he declared: "As Ian Paisley said to me during our first meeting 'Martin, we can rule ourselves, we do not need these direct
rule ministers coming over here telling us what to do'."
Northern Ireland has had a British Secretary of State based in Hillsborough Castle, Co Down, since 1972. It followed the suspension of the Stormont Parliament because of civil unrest at the time.
But 14 years after the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, Mr McGuinness said there was also a need for a change in British Government policy in relation to the Union.
The MP for Mid Ulster said: "It has been often said that the Easter Rising marked the end of the British Empire as it was known. The days of colonialism and domination had to end. Peoples' right to national self-determination and freedom would have to take preference to the economic needs of the colonial masters.
"And I say that, not to be provocative or to engage in rhetoric, but to simply mark out a significant landmark on the historical road which has led us to where we are now. The years preceding and following the First World War were a time of great political and constitutional upheaval for the British State. And I firmly believe that we are now living through a similar period of massive change - obviously not as dramatic as 100 years ago, but significant change nonetheless.
"In constitutional terms, whereas the Rising marked the beginning of the end of the Empire as people knew it, it is my belief that the Good Friday Agreement marked the end of the Union, as we know it."
That belief, he said, had been strengthened and confirmed not just by what was happening in Ireland, but also with events elsewhere, with the demand for Scottish independence and greater Welsh autonomy. The constitutional fabric of the British State had been changed forever, he claimed.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news....dSH6nuD
Ulster Protestants consider themselves to be a separate nation. This nation they call Ulster
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-05-01, 7:17 PM | Message # 2 |
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| What do people expect, we have devolution and the enemies of British Ulster destroying our Country from within. Did people expect these murdering fenian scum to abandon their campaign of destruction that many were prepared to die for, to sit in Stormont and administer British rule, unfortunately the enemies of Ulster aren't as interested in money and to live and let live, that the so-called patriotic sons and daughters of Ulsters two main Unionist Parties.
What really worries me, is the clock is really ticking for the U.K. now even Scotland are charging students from other parts of the U.K. but if your a foreigner you get free fees and Ulster students are being encouraged to get Irish passports so they don't have to pay the fees. Could you really make it up?
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-05-01, 7:19 PM | Message # 3 |
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| A Scottish government spokesman has confirmed that sixth form pupils in the UK who hold Irish passports qualify for free university tuition in Scotland.
Fees are rising to a maximum of £9000 across the UK but in Scotland, pupils who have lived there for at least three years do not have to pay fees.
This is also the case for EU students, as EU law does not allow discrimination against those from other member states.
Irish passport holders in Northern Ireland count as EU students.
Until now it was understood that students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland had to pay the higher fees in Scotland.
But the BBC has been told that those who have Irish passports are exempt. An investigation by BBC Northern Ireland has found that some pupils in Belfast are applying for Irish passports in order to get free tuition in Scotland.
A Scottish government spokesman confirmed that nationality not residence was the key when it came to defining an EU student, and that anyone with an Irish passport living in the UK could apply for free tuition.
Students in Northern Ireland have dual nationality and can opt for Irish passports.
Cathy Moore, chair of the Careers Teachers' Association, said: "The Scottish Parliament has said if you have an Irish passport and live in Northern Ireland and provide that, (Irish passport) you are eligible to have the fees paid."
There is a degree of confusion about how widely this measure applies.
Michael Russell urged NI students to be cautious
It is understood some Scottish universities have told students they will be classed as UK nationals and have to pay fees.
Northern Ireland born, Richard Beggs graduated from Dundee University in 2004. He tried and failed to avail of the alleged exemption: "I knew I was able to get an Irish passport and I thought I would be able to study for free but that wasn't the case.
"They told me because I didn't have an address in the Republic of Ireland over the last three years that I wasn't eligible."
Scottish Education Secretary Michael Russell said universities would have the final word but urged Northern Ireland students to be cautious.
"The purpose of the regulations is to guarantee Scottish students free access. It is not to find ways around for other people. Because of European law, people coming from other jurisdictions do get the same treatment as Scottish students but those in the rest of the UK don't," he said.
Mr Russell agreed the situation was "fluid".
The DUP East Londonderry MP Gregory Campbell said he had raised the issue with Angus Robertson, the SNP leader in Westminster.
"Northern Ireland's citizenship issue is unique to that of the rest of the United Kingdom in that someone living in Belfast can hold both a British passport and an Irish passport. They can officially be an Irish citizen and a British citizen," he said.
"With such a unique situation, the Scottish executive should take an equally unique approach to Northern Ireland students.
"Rather than only those who are happy to have an Irish passport gaining free university places, the Scottish executive should remove all fees for students from Northern Ireland.
"This would restore fairness in that those who wouldn't be comfortable being an Irish citizen can still avail of free places at Scottish universities.
"Those who do not accept being labelled as Irish should not be disadvantaged to the tune of up to £27,000 over a three year period."
Meanwhile, a bonus for Northern Ireland students, is that even if they are classed as EU students and avoid paying tuition fees, they can still get a student loan as a UK citizen.
A spokesperson from Universities Scotland said it was taking advice on the issue but, based on the most recent statistics available, there had not been a rise in applicants holding an Irish passport.
"The regulations for rest of UK fees are based on applicants' ordinary residency rather than nationality and this is the basis on which universities will be processing applications," said the spokesperson.
"Universities continue to liaise closely with the Scottish government and Student Awards Agency Scotland on these regulations in order to ensure the appropriate fee is applied."
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2012-05-02, 6:12 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I just caught a piece on the Ulster TV (BBC) news. Don't know if I picked it up right but I think they were at Ashfield School in East Belfast and thought I heard pupils say that they would be applying for an Irish passport if they got to university. Everything you hear is going that way (their way). More and more we are following along the green brick road. I thought too this was a telling part of that report about McGuinness and his speech..
In an address at the London School of Economics, he declared: "As Ian Paisley said to me during our first meeting 'Martin, we can rule ourselves, we do not need these direct rule ministers coming over here telling us what to do'."
During their first meeting!  Seems they were all pally-wally and on first name terms and then the content of what Paisley said as well Its never seemed to me that Paisley was acting under duress. Thats what really rubs the salt into the wound. None of these politicans had to do the things they did, like licking ass. They always spouted words like 'you sometimes HAVE to work with people but you don't have to like them or agree with them' True, but they didn't take that attitude. They went out of their way to socialise with them in their sports and other events. The whole lot of them stink to high heaven. There not worth a spit.
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| RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2012-05-02, 2:22 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I seen Grosvenor school pupils on saying they were going for a Irish passports. Last week on the news I seen Ashfield boys school playing GAA and the pupils saying how much they loved the sport  Very sad state of affairs indeed,we're well and truly on the green bricked road, even a blind man can see it.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2012-05-02, 4:20 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The Prods are easily swayed. They have virtually no culture outside of parading. So anything that comes over from a people steeped in traditions and culture is attractive to them. The irish too while having a culture wern't organised so the Gaelic League was formed in the late 1800s and from then on they have never looked back. Some of those involved in this 'gaelic revival'( parts of it was actually invented)were Anglo-Irish Protestants. Hyde,Lady Gregory,and Yeats to name a few. So it acts as a magnet for some Prods. Pearse and many of those involved in the Easter Rebellion were in the Gaelic League.
Just thinking about Paisley and McGuiness and what was said by Paisley. Its a sad state of affairs when I'm more inclined to believe McGuiness rather than ''I'm not an Irishman - I am and Irishman Paisley''
Paisley...''Martin we can rule ourselves we don't need these direct rule ministers (British?) coming over telling us what to do''
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-05-03, 0:38 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Yip, Irish republicanism has a whole host of Protestant traitors, who turned their backs on their own sort, and will now be used to win over our people, we even seen how they tried to even use Sir Edward Carson's name with that Carson cup, although they had their facts wrong on the sport that was actually played at Trinity!
I noticed in a clip from 1998 when Ulster won that European trophy, all the Ulster flags with union flags in the corner, now it's a sea of the 9 County Orange and Red Ulster flags. The taigs will fly these and the prods will decide to remove their Ulster flags in-case they offend the micks, unfortunately Prods are easy pickings for the Irish and all those loyalists who want to celebrate crap like St Paddys day are responsible for the sell-out of our Country as the IRA murderers and the British political establishment.
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