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Day Of The Vow
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-09-27, 3:47 PM | Message # 1 |
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| As we approach our own day of the Covenant its also a good time to point out that other peoples had their Covenant. The people of Israel and their Covenant is fairly well known as is also the Scottish Covenant. The other one which might not be so well known is the Covenant of the South African people, the Voortrekkers.
According to an Afrikaner tradition, the Day of the Vow traces its origin as an annual religious holiday to The Battle of Blood River on 16 December 1838. The besieged Voortrekkers took a public vow (or covenant) together before the battle, led by either Andries Pretorius or Sarel Cilliers, depending on whose version is correct. In return for God's help in obtaining victory, they promised to build a church. Participants also vowed that they and their descendants would keep the day as a holy Sabbath. During the battle a group of about 470 Voortrekkers and their servants defeated a force of about ten thousand Zulu. Only three Voortrekkers were wounded, and some 3,000 Zulu warriors died in the battle.
Two of the earlier names given to the day stem from this prayer. Officially known as the Day of the Vow, the commemoration was renamed from the Day of the Covenant in 1982. Afrikaners colloquially referred to it as Dingaansdag (English: Dingane's Day), a reference to the Zulu ruler of the defeated attackers.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-09-27, 8:11 PM | Message # 2 |
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| The South Africans are very much like ourselves, they fought and won their land, but like us they surrendered all, and are now falling apart and are the victims of systematic genocide in their own Country. We are on a similar sort of trend in regards losing everything our forefathers fought for.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-09-27, 8:54 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Its the liberal left who are primarily responsible for this. It is they who promote all things against those of principle and they are mostly to be found in the white race and among those of a Wasp background. In ways I don't blame those outsiders who come and get 'taken by the hand'. The fault lies with goverments (usually USA and GB)and the 'bleeding hearts' who have planned all this,working on their young people's thinking telling them it is wrong to have a pride in your country or race.
Those people, the descendants of the Voortrekkers are getting treated abominably by those in power in SA and theres hardly a word mentioned about it in the media.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-09-27, 9:02 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Very true, you have it summed up to a tee!
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2012-10-21, 2:57 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Then there were the British descended people in Africa who signed a Covenant based on the Ulster Covenant.
Natal Covenant
The Ulster Covenant was used as a template for the 'Natal Covenant', signed in 1955 by 33,000 British-descended Natalians against the nationalist South African government's intention of declaring the Union a republic. It was signed in Durban City Hall – itself loosely based on Belfast's, so that the Ulster scene was almost exactly reproduced.
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| RSAUB | Date: Sunday, 2012-10-21, 3:02 PM | Message # 6 |
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| It's hard trying to find out information about the Natal Covenant, as I've searched the internet a few times without much luck, but it's another piece of history that shows the pride and blood link between many Britons in Natal towards their Mother land regardless of how the Motherland treated or viewed them.
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2012-10-21, 4:46 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Its the first I'd heard of it RSAUB. But I came across this clipping from the NL Sept 4 2010
Messages from daughter towns as Belfast celebrates its jubilee
September 4,1938
As the city of Belfast celebrated its jubilee,the News Letter on this day 1938 published two fascinating letters which had been sent from ''daughter'' cities in New Zealand and South Africa which affirmed their pride in their connection with the great Ulster city,
John T Duggan wrote from Belfast,Transvall,South Africa (''136 miles due east of Pretoria on the foothills of the Drankensberg'': ''Of more than ordinary interest to me,as Mayor of Belfast,Transvall,is Belfast's Civic Week celebration - its jubilee as a city - for in its citizens'prideful possession we have a measure of the distinction enjoyed by the daughter town in South Africa. We want our kinship with you to be more intimate in the future; and we feverently hope that this desire will be reciprocated in your city by the Lagan.''
Mr Duggan went on to describe how Belfast,Transvall had been founded by a Belfastman named Charles O'Neil who had been an officer in a British regiment and how after his regiment had been disbanded that he had been given the option of returning to Ulster or remaining in South Africa. O'Neil had chosen to remain in South Africa and had been instrumental in obtaining a charter for the town in 1889.
Duggan concluded: ''This,then, is the South African town which is proud to be linked with Sister Belfasts and our Mother City on this great occasion.''
Writing from Belfast in New Zealand (''a modest township seven miles north of Christchurch'') Mr W T Rogers the town's mayor declared: ''Our regard for our beloved parent is such that our manin streets are named Donegall Street,York Street,Bedford Street and Howard Street; and it is the dearest desire of our people that sometime or other they may voyage to Northern Ireland and see the original.'' He concluded; ''We proffer...kindest regards and hope that the Mother City in Ulster may continue to prosper.''
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| RSAUB | Date: Monday, 2012-10-22, 1:19 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Interesting pieces of information there, cheers for sharing. 
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| Culzie | Date: Monday, 2012-10-22, 2:46 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Another wee link to our 'ain fowk' 
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-10-23, 12:41 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I have an article in the house relating to an Ulster Society being active in Durban City hall up until the late 1980s. I remember having a chat with a man who helped form the Durban Rangers supporters club in the 1980s, and all it really was a club for loyalists to get together.
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-10-23, 4:17 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Its good to hear of these sort of things going on. In some ways it is harder to keep the flag flying in foreign climes than it is in Ulster. I saw a clip on YT of them walking in Adelaide for Ulster Day. OK there was about 30 of them just,including the band. But at least they were there,kept the flag flying and remembered Ulster's big day. Liverpool too had a parade.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-10-25, 0:42 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Agreed, I would love to get over to Toronto some year for the twelfth parade, see how the City once called 'Little Belfast', celebrates the twelfth in style. On the issue of South Africa there is a Rangers club in Johannesburg who meet up to watch every home game in a bowling club, most of them are Ulster and Scottish exiles, you would imagine if you can get a few loyalists meeting together even just to watch football that there would be protential for a Orange lodge or some kind of loyalist cultural society to be formed.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-10-25, 3:38 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Hundred per cent agree. You'd think these guys would be looking to start a lodge. I have a photo on the computer somwhere and its of three people celebrating the 12th in SA.This was this years 12th and it was two men and a women. It was from the BT.
Maybe they'll get around to startin one. Think the OO was there in the past and there was a lodge at one time in the Netherlands too,1950/60s think that was. Stadholder LOL and the number.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-10-25, 4:22 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Yeah there was a number of Orange lodges in South Africa. I have a picture on the phone taken at the Balmoral Review of the tent the Orange Order had up and it was a picture of the officers of the Grand Orange Lodge of British South Africa taken in Pretoria.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-10-25, 7:18 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Thats one for posterity. British South Africa,oh how things have changed and the British title is not what it once was. I think Canada also was referred to as British North America at one time.
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