i know the ulsterscotsagency and such groups are helping change "irish america (and canada)" and lose sinn feins grip on them, but more folk need to know the truth! i remember stumbling on a klan site once where their was a flags of our fathers shop - wales/englands/scottish and... the tricolour for the irish! i registered so i could complain about it and was abused by the taig members, and thought crazy by the dixies!

let me know if ive mixed anything up - especially the sons of erin part - but if these sorta folks are taking to them i dont wanna be in anything theyre a part of

a taig would sit and hear somebody saying something about ulster scots, and he'd be quick to denounce it - as its british/orange culture but if he'd heard somebody talking about dixieland, he'd think nothing of showing support for it and the cause, when really it shouldnt be connected to that

If a taig supported Dixie there ain't very much the Dixie people can do about that. Maybe a bit like RCs in Ulster who are for the British link. What do we do? Tell them their support for the British link is not welcome ?

If some Dixie people do support the irish view. Then that is a challenge for us,to put them right.

James Webb's book 'Born Fighting' has gone a long way in making these folk aware of who they are,where they come from.

If you go to Amazon and read the customer reviews on this book,you will see how many people are now aware of their roots. One old Granny even going out and buying a copy for each of her grandchildren. So the message is getting across. James Webb was elected as a Senator [or Congressman]. Some say it was because of this book.

'The people from Ulster who went to America in the early 1700s were soon to find that there was to be much opposition and resentment to their settling in particular areas. A lack of goodwill was often sensed by them and this sometimes manifested itself in unfriendly comments to them by those who had already settled there. These on occasions,called into question their nationality. In one recorded incident a resident offical spoke in a slighting way to some new arrivals. Terming them as a ''parcel of Irish''

''We are suprised to hear ourselves called Irish people. We are people of the Scottish race in Ulster. It is hard in this new land to be identified with the very people to whom we have always been opposed'' Thus angrily and emphatically objected one of the Ulster clergymen to the disparaging remark. He landed in 1718 in Massachusetts along with 800 of his fellow countrymen. He himself,like many who had sailed with him,had taken an active part in the defence of Londonderry. It must have been extremely galling to veterans of that heroic stand in the 'Maiden City' to be classed as similar in race to those who had been attacking it and trying to drive them out of Ulster.

This careless lumping together of the two distinct races by the offical has often been repeated,and has led to much misunderstanding and,even more,misrepresentation. It has especially in America been very much to the detriment of those of Ulster-Scottish blood. As a result of the protest on that occasion and others later,the settlers from Ulster came to be known as the 'Scotch-Irish'. Whilst this term did make a distinction between them and the Celtic Irish it has often been taken as a combination of the two races,part Irish,part Scottish. It is a great pity the term used had not been 'Ulster-Scots' as it would surely have been more accurate and would have prevented the southern Irish and the so-called Irish Americans from claiming outstanding Ulster Scottish achievements in America to their advantage.

so who were these sons of erin that supposdly helped you in the civil war?

I think when you have a common foe. You take help from wherever it comes. Hence the Ullish and the Irish fightin side by side. Don't like the idea much. But nevertheless,it was a fact of life.

I think there were more Irish on the yankee side actually. Meaghers battalion. But on the same side we had the Ulster Guard form Ulster County in the Gatskilll Mountains. They had the motto A Hand and the words around it...'This Hand For Our Land'

But on the Confederate side we had General McCausland who's family had been forced out of Ulster by Roman Catholics. So there was no hard and fast rule. There were Jews and Black people fighting on both sides.

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The Irish, when they came to America, settled predominently in the major cities of the North. Over time, as their numbers grew quickly (especially in the late 1800's) they gained political power in cities like Boston and New York, etc. These cities are of course centers of Yankee/Federal power in America. New England and New York are the ruling areas of the Empire for all practical purposes. It was a system where if you were Irish or Italian or Jewish when you stepped off the boat oftentimes there was a rep for the local ethnic political boss there to welcome you, perhaps set you up with a place to stay and some work and in return get your loyaly to whoever in your community was calling the shots. This situation was totally different than what was going on in Dixie. While in the Northern cities these ethnic ghettos were forming and different European ethicities were competing for power and control and jobs, etc in Dixie the people were basically of a similiar culture and most of them were farming. The South was divided by race - Black and White - but not amongst the White population for the most part. Anyhow, what I'm getting at is over time the Irish were placed in key centers of influence and power in America and their numbers grew as their power grew and vice versa. All history books in America come from NY or New England. The major media is controlled from there. Banking is controlled from there. So they were much better placed - especially having arrived basically as the Ulster-Scots in Dixie had just been defeated and disenfranchised under the Reconstruction regimes. Hope that helps explain things of little.