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Claim It,Its Yours Too
CulzieDate: Friday, 2014-01-31, 11:06 PM | Message # 91
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A reply on Facebook . Those who took us on this road are those who are responsible for Magee the ira murderer coming to talk in the loyalist heartland of east Belfast, and Paddy's day parades was the start of that road. The thin end does it and then slowly tap tap away, as the Paddy day Prods said.

I think CA it was always on the cards. We started down that road by celebrating paddy's day. That was thrown into the ring to see how people would react. When it was embraced that was the signal to take it even farther. and so gaelic games were introduced into 'Protestant' schools, followed by Irish language classes etc. According to Ed Maloney the IRA army council decided they had to adopt a policy of 'slowly slowy' so as not to alarm the Protestants. Jim Gibney an IRA man spoke of weaning Protestants away from an allegiance to Britain and replacing it with one to Ireland but stressed that it had to be done gradually. It seems to be working.


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SlappataigDate: Monday, 2014-02-03, 10:16 PM | Message # 92
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We started down that road by celebrating paddy's day. That was thrown into the ring to see how people would react. When it was embraced that was the signal to take it even farther. and so gaelic games were introduced into 'Protestant' schools, followed by Irish language classes etc. According to Ed Maloney the IRA army council decided they had to adopt a policy of 'slowly slowy' so as not to alarm the Protestants. Jim Gibney an IRA man spoke of weaning Protestants away from an allegiance to Britain and replacing it with one to Ireland but stressed that it had to be done gradually. It seems to be working.


and all we non-blinkered loyalists can do is watch the ship sink before us.
 
CulzieDate: Monday, 2014-02-03, 11:50 PM | Message # 93
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Yip, true. You've reminded me of an old silent movie which I saw on the net. It was called The Admiral I think, and one scene had the admiral in uniform standing upright and saluting as the ship went slowly down.

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CulzieDate: Monday, 2014-03-03, 9:46 PM | Message # 94
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Wednesday, 5 February 2014

Irish - 'a bullet in the freedom struggle'

I have a particular interest in minority or lesser-used languages and regard them as part of the cultural wealth of a people. However here in Ulster the Irish republican movement has, for more than a century, used the Irish language as a cultural weapon.
In the current post I want to show when and how the Provisional republican movement came to that position of turning a cultural wealth into a cultural weapon.

In 1982, in the wake of the IRA hunger strikes, Sinn Fein formed a cultural department to promote the use of the Irish language. In the years that followed it was very active in promoting the language for political ends and it became part of the Sinn Fein strategy of 'broadening the battlefield'. This was a strategy which regards republican activity in the political, cultural and social fields as complementing the 'armed struggle' of the Provisional IRA.

As part of its programme Sinn Fein organised a 'Public Seminar for People Learning or Planning to Learn the Irish Language' and it was held in Conway Mill on the Falls Road on Saturday 26 May 1982. The first speaker was Padraig O'Maoicraoibhe, a Sinn Fein cultural officer and a teacher in Belfast (later Cathaorieach of Scoil Ghaelach Bheal Feirste). He told those who were present at the seminar:
I don't think we can exist as a separate people without our language. Now every phrase you learn is a bullet in the freedom struggle.

Padraig O'Maoicraoibhe also said that the restoration of the Irish language was part of the process of the decolonisation of Ireland.
The process of decolonisation will have stopped half-way if, the day we succeed in driving the English from our shores, what is left behind is an Irish people possessed of the language, culture and values of the English.
Here he linked the learning of the Irish language to the campaign to 'drive out the Brits'.

The second speaker was Gearoid O'Caireallain, later editor of the Irish language newspaper La.

These speeches were followed by four workshops on Irish and the National Struggle, Why Learn Irish?, Irish and the Community and Difficulties with Learning Irish.
At the workshop on Irish and the National Struggle:
Everyone was agreed that there was a definite link between the National Struggle and the Cultural Revival.

Indeed the chairperson of that workshop, Sinn Fein activist Tarlach MacIonractaigh, joined together IRA terrorism and the Irish language when he said that:

The armed struggle is the highest point of the cultural revival.

Afterwards and in order to give the content of the seminar some permanence, Sinn Fein produced a bilingual booklet entitled Learning Irish - a discussion and
information booklet. It had an introduction by another Sinn Fein cultural officer Mairtin O'Muilleoir, the speech by Padraig O'Maoicraoibhe, including the quotes given above, and reports on the workshop discussions.

The author of the introduction, Mairtin O'Muilleoir has gone on to greater things. He was a Belfast councillor, went off to head up the Belfast Media Group and the Andersonstown News, and has now returned to Belfast City Council, serving one term as lord mayor. Thirty years have elapsed but he was a central figure in the birth of Sinn Fein's cultural war and provided the introduction for the booklet which helped to launch that cultural war.

The author Camille O'Reilly makes reference to a variant of the notorious 'bullet' statement in her book The Irish Language in Northern Ireland, which was published by the Ultach Trust in 1997. There she reports a prominent member of Sinn Fein, who was also an Irish language activist, as saying that:

Every word of Irish spoken is like another bullet being fired in the struggle for Irish freedom.

The inclusion of the 'bullet' phrase in the booklet and the reference in O'Reilly suggests that the phrase was fairly widely used at that time by republican Irish speakers.

Earlier this week I heard a presenter on Radio Ulster question a unionist politician who had quoted the phrase about 'a bullet in the freedom struggle'. He asked the politician who had said it. Well here is the answer about the origins of the phrase and if anyone wants to check it out, the little Sinn Fein booklet is long out of print but there are still copies of it in various libraries and collections.
There has been a lot of comment on the Irish language in the media in recent times, some of it well-informed and some of it ill informed. This is just the first of a number of posts on various aspects of the Irish language and I hope that readers will find them to be informative.

Congal Claen8 February 2014 23:02
The Irish language has been a tool of nationalist and republicans longer than the above. You need only to look to the The Necessity for De-Anglicising Ireland by Douglas Hyde in 1892 and the literary deliveries of Sinn Feins Terence McSwinney around the turn of the century.


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CulzieDate: Tuesday, 2014-03-11, 11:56 PM | Message # 95
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Billy Hutcheson read out a speech by Edward Carson at a rally in the grounds of Craigavon House. This is part of it. April 20th 2013.

'If an Irish Parliament were established probably one of its first Education Acts would be to make us all try to speak the Irish language that none of them understand'

At first I thought Edward Carson was speaking of an Eire government. However, it was probably the Westminster government he was referring to. But whatever, it seem as if Westminster policy is today carrying out what Edward Carson warned us about all those years ago. They are learning it on the Newtownards Rd, Shankill, and Sandy Row, and I'm sure other places. Have we lost the doughty spirit of our forefathers? It seems so.


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CulzieDate: Thursday, 2014-03-27, 9:20 PM | Message # 96
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So much for those within unionism who said ''they don't want you to have it so get in and claim it. Its your too ''. Looks to me like they are only too willing to let unionists have it. In fact they are urging them to come in and be part of it. ''Its yours too''. So they, .. fifth-column unionists and sinn fein republicans are both using the same catchphrase. Makes one wonder. The green bog beckons from both.

And of course 'craic' was NEVER an Irish word until they pinched it from the Ulster-Scots and gave it a different spelling. It was sad to see our loyal orders and church's rushing in and using the 'craic' spelling shortly after it started to make its appearance with the plagiarised spelling. Have they no sense of their own heritage and identity. One church which used 'craic' was Presbyterian. You would think that at least they would have known of their Scottish roots and Burn's use of the word in his poems.

From the South Side Advertiser Issue 73 - April 2014 edition

Culture Minister Caral Ni Chullin ( sinn fein ) has recently launched an advertising campaign to encourage people to learn and speak Irish.

Liofa means fluent in Irish and the campaign Liofa le cheile ( fluent together ) encourages everyone to learn and speak the Irish language.

The campaign which will run across a variety of media platforms including television, radio, outdoor and digital media will show how the Irish language is used though daily phrases names and places.

The Minister said: ''The Irish language is at the heart of our society. It is everywhere around us though common words we use like 'craic'. The language is part of our shared heritage and history.

'' Over 5,000 people have already taken up the Liofa challenge. They are enjoying the benefits of learning a new language or re-connecting with the Irish they learned at school. Today,I would like to invite 5,000 more people to begin the journey of learning and speaking Irish ''.

'' The Irish language IS A VITAL PART OF DEFINING WHO WE ARE. It is an essential part of our society, our community AND OUR IDENTITY.


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RSAUBDate: Saturday, 2014-03-29, 2:07 PM | Message # 97
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It is interesting that they are using a Scottish word that's part of the cultural heritage of not just Ulster, Scotland and the Border regions particularly Cumbria and Northumbria as a way of sucking our people into the big green bog, the colonisers of Ulster and their allies within our ranks really have no dignity.
 
CulzieDate: Saturday, 2014-03-29, 10:45 PM | Message # 98
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I think too we are always behind the door in these matters. In other words we haven't a clue. They are well versed in these matters and I suppose had a good idea that 'craic' would catch on. There is a reason for this I believe.

'craic' in a way fulfils the same role as 'soccer' does, ie We have rugby football, American football, gaelic football and Association football. By saying ' soccer' people know which brand of football you are referring to. This despite the fact that Association football has the rightful claim to football, as its really the only one which is played with the feet. But yet it is the one which loses the name, and is referred to by some as soccer.

Same with 'craic' with its singular meaning, whereas 'crack' has at least three other meanings. But in a booklet I picked up in Scotland it has 'craik' as the spelling. Time we used that in our writings instead of 'craic'. Craik would signify the difference and meaning from the other 'cracks'


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CulzieDate: Sunday, 2014-03-30, 4:10 PM | Message # 99
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The real reason for  ''claim it its yours too ''?

If no lasting settlement is found by the time Northern Ireland reaches an even balance of population, 51 percent Protestant, 49 percent Catholic, it could be a very volatile place. '' I see it coming to civil war, '' said Malachy McNally, a veteran republican from Andersontown, speaking in 1993,  '' Its up to the British to create the conditions to avoid civil war.


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CulzieDate: Saturday, 2014-04-12, 5:25 PM | Message # 100
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Another example of the ''claim it its yours too'' approach was that carried out by the cigarette companies when generally speaking women didn't smoke. They organised protest marches by women saying women had as much right to smoke as men. They made them feel left out as if they were missing something. And they were, but what they didn't say was ( and they knew ) that smoking could cause cancer.

So its a clever ploy that has paid dividends for those promoting '' claim it its your too '' whether it be the scam of being allocated a number in which you have a chance of winning money/prize and if you don't claim it, it will be given to someone else, or the '' claim it its yours too '' of the tobacco companies.

And so there is the same ploy being used by those who are promoting all things Irish.


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JohnPDate: Wednesday, 2014-05-21, 9:36 AM | Message # 101
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I've heard the claims that there were residents on the Shankill Road and such places in past times that were fluent in Irish. However, I can't help but wonder if there is some confusion here when it comes to the historical use of certain terms.

Now, I know from Scottish history that Scottish Gaelic was almost always referred to as Irish up until the last century, even though it was native to Scotland. And there were many Scottish settlers in Ulster who came from the Highlands and certain parts of the Borders where Scottish Gaelic was the primary language. These were of course part of the British community in Ulster, but if they were Scottish Gaelic speakers, then according to the terminology of the time they may well have been labelled as Irish speakers.

I'm only guessing here since I don't know where the story of Shankill Irish speakers came from (is it a census, or just anecdotal evidence?), but like I said up until the last century I have noticed that all branches of the Gaelic languages were referred to as Irish, even Scottish Gaelic. I wonder if those debating this controversy are aware that terms were used this way in the past?

Oh, and by the way, I have a private message but I am unable to read it because "my group is prohibited from performing this action". Is there any way to get around this?
 
CulzieDate: Wednesday, 2014-05-21, 6:03 PM | Message # 102
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Post went 'walkies' there.

Yip I heard that about the Shankill. Some are claiming its according to the census forms of 1911. Some streets from the Shankill ran onto the Falls Rd so were they included in the census. What I know of the Irish they will claim anything which helps their image and agenda. I even heard the claim the original apprentice boys who shut the gates spoke Gaelic. Of course if its true which gaelic did they speak? and being mostly Lowland Scots would their language not have been Lallans? My own opinion its another step in the Irishisation of loyalists. That why they are digging all these things up to confront us with, whether true or not.

The Anglo-Normans and even Cromwell's soldiers became more Irish than the Irish. As someone said out of all the settlers,invaders,planters only the Ulster Protestant has not been Irishised, but they are working on that now.

I'm getting that sorted re the PM.


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JohnPDate: Thursday, 2014-05-22, 9:07 AM | Message # 103
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Thanks for the PM, looks like a good site, I think I might join.

On the topic of Scottish Gaelic, how would you feel about how Ulster Protestants should relate to it? It is considered a separate language from Irish Gaelic, and the two are, although similar, not mutually intelligible.

Some of the earliest Scots in Ulster would have spoken Scottish Gaelic, including the Gallowglass mercenaries that were granted land there for their military service to Irish chiefs, and the pre-settlement Scottish clans in Ulster like the MacDonnells of Antrim.
 
CulzieDate: Thursday, 2014-05-22, 5:13 PM | Message # 104
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I remember an article in the BT many years ago which said that in the Antrim glens 50 years ago some were speaking Scots Gaelic. When the other side scoff at the idea of Ullans saying it is just a branch of English, related to English. Could the same not be said about Scots and Irish gaelic ?

Burns was using Lallans in his poetry, so I'm guessing that a 100 years earlier the apprentice boys and the other Scots within the walls would have been using the same language.


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