The Belfast Blitz
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Culzie | Date: Saturday, 2009-07-11, 9:45 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Belfast During World War 2. A good read this if at sometimes harrowing and gives an idea how Befast suffered, to those who might have no knowledge of how tough it was to survive. http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/The_BlitzBelfast_during_the_second_World_War
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karetka | Date: Saturday, 2010-11-06, 4:13 AM | Message # 2 |
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| What p***** me off most about the Irish was their lack of participation in WWII - especially their little P**** of a leader deValera. What were these morons thinking! Did they think that just because they declared themselves to be neutral that the Nazis would leave them alone? Belgium & Norway declared themselves to be neutral and look what happened to them. Admittedly the Irish may well have had grievances against the English but when faced with the Nazis and their agression could they not take temporary leave form them? Could they not pull their heads out of their assess just momentarily and bring themselves to realize that the Nazis with their program of conquest, subjugation and genocide were the greatest threat to civilization in modern history if not all time? At the time of the Battle of Britain Churchill summed it up by saying that if Britain lost this battle the world would be plunged into a new dark age. With Britain gone the Nazis would have Europe under their control. They would likely have succeded in their campaign against Russia because they would have been fighting a one front war. Even if the US had intervened at this point they probably would not have been able to turn the tide because without Britain they would not have had a territory close to Nazi occupied Europe from which to mount a counteroffensive. Once Britain was in Nazi hands Ireland would have been next. The Irish rant about the Black and Tans and admittiedly they may have been a bunch of bastards. However, they would have looked like nursemaids when placed beside Hitler's Waffen SS, Gestapo and Einsatzgrupen. In their diatribe against the English the Irish always bring up Cromwell and the potato famine. Under Nazi occupation they certainly they would have experienced all of the drepadations they claim the English had visited on them over the centuries in a few short years - and then some. What is even more enraging is that if the Irish had joined WWII on the Allied side they really would not have had to do much. The British and the other allies were most interested in having access to Irish territory in order to establish airfields, port facilities and naval installations. Such Irish based facilities would have proven very beneficial to the allied war effort because air patrols could have been projected further into the Atlantic, Transatlantic convoys could have docked and had their cargos unloaded sooner - thus enhancing the flow of material to all theatres of war, and a greater amount of ocean could have been denied to the Nazis. The battle of the Atlantic and indeed the entire European war would have been over sooner. The Irish just simply had to make their country available; it would have been the armed forces of other countries who would be doing the actual fighting and having to get in harms way. On top of that the cost of building and maintianing these facilities would have been borne entirely by the countries using them - the Irish might even have been able to charge them rent and make a profit from it all! Historical research now shows the battle of the Atlantic to have been a close run thing and the Irish helped make it so. The net effect of the behaviour of the Irish in WWII was greater loss of life among allied service personal and merchant seamen and also among those living under Nazi occupation because the European war was lengthened.
Added (2010-11-06, 4:13 Am) --------------------------------------------- What p***** me off most about the Irish was their lack of participation in WWII - especially their little P**** of a leader deValera. What were these morons thinking! Did they think that just because they declared themselves to be neutral that the Nazis would leave them alone? Belgium & Norway declared themselves to be neutral and look what happened to them. Admittedly the Irish may well have had grievances against the English but when faced with the Nazis and their agression could they not take temporary leave form them? Could they not pull their heads out of their assess just momentarily and bring themselves to realize that the Nazis with their program of conquest, subjugation and genocide were the greatest threat to civilization in modern history if not all time? At the time of the Battle of Britain Churchill summed it up by saying that if Britain lost this battle the world would be plunged into a new dark age. With Britain gone the Nazis would have Europe under their control. They would likely have succeded in their campaign against Russia because they would have been fighting a one front war. Even if the US had intervened at this point they probably would not have been able to turn the tide because without Britain they would not have had a territory close to Nazi occupied Europe from which to mount a counteroffensive. Once Britain was in Nazi hands Ireland would have been next. The Irish rant about the Black and Tans and admittiedly they may have been a bunch of bastards. However, they would have looked like nursemaids when placed beside Hitler's Waffen SS, Gestapo and Einsatzgrupen. In their diatribe against the English the Irish always bring up Cromwell and the potato famine. Under Nazi occupation they certainly they would have experienced all of the drepadations they claim the English had visited on them over the centuries in a few short years - and then some. What is even more enraging is that if the Irish had joined WWII on the Allied side they really would not have had to do much. The British and the other allies were most interested in having access to Irish territory in order to establish airfields, port facilities and naval installations. Such Irish based facilities would have proven very beneficial to the allied war effort because air patrols could have been projected further into the Atlantic, Transatlantic convoys could have docked and had their cargos unloaded sooner - thus enhancing the flow of material to all theatres of war, and a greater amount of ocean could have been denied to the Nazis. The battle of the Atlantic and indeed the entire European war would have been over sooner. The Irish just simply had to make their country available; it would have been the armed forces of other countries who would be doing the actual fighting and having to get in harms way. On top of that the cost of building and maintianing these facilities would have been borne entirely by the countries using them - the Irish might even have been able to charge them rent and make a profit from it all! Historical research now shows the battle of the Atlantic to have been a close run thing and the Irish helped make it so. The net effect of the behaviour of the Irish in WWII was greater loss of life among allied service personal and merchant seamen and also among those living under Nazi occupation because the European war was lengthened.
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Culzie | Date: Saturday, 2010-11-06, 2:56 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Karetaka. Of course your right. I think what some people underestimate is how deep-seated the hatred of anything British goes. Anything at all which is gonna hit Britain is to be supported, from taking benefits to having mega-buck enquiries to staying out of it in the war are all gist to the mill in wounding Britain. I think Hume said this when they went on rent/rate strike at one time. I had it on video one time a programe which was presented by Peter Taylor showing the situatio when American troops were stationed in Ulster. One of the things mentioned was that Britain and America were thinking of launching an invasion of Eire becaue of the stance they had taken. I think (not sure) that it was the Irish-American lobby which asked them not to take this course. Think we have to recognise that numbers do count and the Irish certainly wern't long in making their presence felt when they went to America in the 1800s.
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RSAUB | Date: Monday, 2010-11-29, 0:21 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Yip, anything is deemed acceptable from supporting the Nazis to blowing up children all in the name of so-called Irish unity, they even had a joint plan at one stage for a IRA/Nazis storm trooper invasion of Northern Ireland. The destruction the Belfast blitz had on the town was terrible and our Unionist government had to take some responsibility for the mishandling of the situation and the consequences. The civil defence authorities weren’t fully prepared for it, some anti-aircraft guns had been sent over to the mainland instead of strategically positioned to defend the City, especially at that time with Belfast being a prime target with the heavy industry and the docks being a vital part of the British war effort.
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Culzie | Date: Monday, 2010-11-29, 8:45 PM | Message # 5 |
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| What never occured to me RSAUB until recently was that these scum too were also launching attacks while World War 2 was ongoing. They attacked the police in 1944 (think it was) murdering a police constable. I think Wiiams got hanged for that. But these scum knew what the people of Belfast had went though in 1941 with near a thousand killed by Hitler's bombs,yet here they were bring terror back onto the streets. Shows they have no thought for no one but their own perverted ideas. Did they put bombs on the mainland too while the war was going on. I'm not sure but I think I read tt somewhere. Just thinkin Gen Robert E. Lee was asked by some of his own men to continue the war after the surrender in a guerilla/terrorist way. But he wouldn't hear tell of it. I think sometmes that the Protestant prefer open fighting and not resorting to terrorist tactics. Though sometimes you may have to descend into hell to fight the devil. But I'm thinking of Scottish and Welsh nationalists too who have never launched a terrorist campaign like the Irish have. Why is this? Well the only thing I can think of is that the Scots and Welsh (like Gen Lee)are Protestants.
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RSAUB | Date: Monday, 2010-11-29, 11:43 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I'm nearly certain I have read of them bombing the mainland during the war, think may be one of the bombs was in Coventry? Added (2010-11-29, 11:43 PM) --------------------------------------------- Done a google search there. seems the Coventry bomb was a bad one. http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/articles/s-shaw.php
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Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2011-01-16, 8:06 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Good find that RSAUB,and shows you how some of them still supported them despite the murder of innocents. Another thing I noticed that priest said anyone being in an illegal organization would face ex-communation from their church. If thats true why do they not throw out all the ira who attend church now.
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RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2011-01-19, 6:39 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Ex-communicate them from the church?……… Now that’s a joke. Fathers James Chesney, Patrick Fell, John Burns all terrorist scum and priests, were any of them threw out of the church? Father Patrick Ryan went around the whole World fundraising for the IRA and openly admitting to buying parts for bombs for the IRA, yet he done his work openly as a Roman Catholic priest. They buy homes in Protestant areas, move in their own people, fuelling sectarianism and the geographical take-over once staunchly Protestant areas.
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Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2011-01-19, 7:56 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Re the last paragraph. Yip true but our people are aware of this yet don't take any steps to counter it. One the mates in relation to other subjects when you would ask him how does he stand regarding this or that he would usually reply ''oh it doesn't affect me.'' I took to calling it the DAM syndrome and I think it applies a helluva lot of loyalists too.
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Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2011-01-26, 8:44 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Seen this bit in the I.N. Oh and I don't buy it I can get the hold of it in work sometimes or in the library. So when Belfast had suffered near a thousand people killed in one night by the Luftwaffe (both Protestant and Catholic) the murdering republican rats never gave the people respite but continued in their murdering ways. Two months after the carnage wrought by Hitler the ordinary people were faced with more death and destruction from the murder gangs of the ira. Zombies devoid of any feeling I suppose. January 21 1942 Armed bandits,after wounding an ARP (air raid prevention) official who refused to hand over the money with a short burst of a Tommy-gun,escaped in a motorcar with £4,750 in Belfast yesterday. The bandits parked themselves in a car in front of the Air Raid Prevention headquarters in Academy Street and waited for the chief wages clerk to return from the bank with the payroll. The clerk,Mr Scott McLeod of Deerpark Road,is critically ill in the Royal Victoria Hospital with three bullet wounds in the wrist and thigh. The affair occurred about 10.30 yesterday morning. A light blue Austin saloon car was observed parked in Academy Street. Mr McLeod accompied by another offical,drove up to the headquarters. The Austin coming from Donegall Street,moved up as he got out and the men in it confronted him with a Thompson sub-machinegun. A bag,containing some of the money,was snatched from him by one of the men but, as he tried to regain possession of it,they opened up with the Tommy-gun,firing a short burst. Three of the bullets found a mark in the official's body. The City Commissioner of the RUC (Mr R,D, Harrision) and his deputy,County Inspector DCB Jennings,arrived some time after the ambulance which brought Mr Mcleod to hospital. It was learned later that,as in former raids,men had hired a taxi and detained the driver at a house on the Falls Road while they used the car in the hold-up. SHOOTING OF AIR RAID WARDEN RECALLED The shooting of an ARP warden in Rockmount Street,Falls Road on the night of June 4,1941 was the subject of a claim for compensation by his widow and two children at the Belfast Recorder's Court yesterday. The dead man was Daniel Connolly,aged 40, Rodney Drive,Donegall Road and the claimant Mrs Maria Connolly and their children Patrick Joseph,aged 16 and Philomena,aged 14. His Honour reserved judgement. Mr Issac Copeland was for the claimant and Mr CL Shell (instructed bt the Town Clerk) for BelfastCorporation. Constable NJ Nolan said that about 11.30pm on June 4th,when he and another policeman entered Rockmount Street,they saw a man had been shot. The decease was lying on his left side and there was a pool of blood on the ground under his head. Road,he heard noises like shots and,afterwards,four or five men dashed past him and ran down Donegall Road at top speed. He went to the ARP post. The light was full on and the telephone was lying on the floor,Subsequently he saw Connolly lying on a piece of waste ground. Mr Copeland - is this a difficult district? Mr Shell - I object. His Honour - There are several districts in Belfast that might be called difficullt. That question will not carry any further. The judge reserved his decision. IN Friday January 21 2011
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RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2011-01-26, 9:27 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Just shows the type of people we’re dealing with, they had dealings with communist beast during the second world war plus dealings with the Nazis, in present day all the terrorist scum in the world who are the enemies of civilisation, and they are prepared to starve themselves to death for their cause, they are absolute evil and in my honest opinion the only way to deal with them is to systematically liquidate them. On the article itself its very interestinhe g that they murdered a Roman Catholic air raid warden during the war, a little fact not widly known.
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Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2011-01-26, 10:27 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Yeah its a fact that the RC people will take anything from the scum,perhaps its fear but you would think that they would show their disgust at the ballot box of how they are treated by the 'boyos of the ira'. The ARP man was probably murdered because he was helping ''the British war machine''
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RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2011-01-27, 1:35 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Very true.The only place Sinn fein suffer from their own electorate is South Armagh which i believe is in the newry and mourne ward, and they suffer because of their huge criminality activity that happens in that area, and they suffer slightly in Londonderry because of the SDLP and John Hume being soon as local folk hero, but over the whole province their certainly not treated as the baby murdering bastards they arel.
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Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2011-01-27, 9:24 PM | Message # 14 |
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| It could only happen here and I still believe that it is because those in authority believe that their 'cause' is legitmate. Ireland for the Irish seems logical and fair to most people taking even a passing interest in the situation. You'd be well aware of my thinking about this and the way to counter it,but nobody on our side appears to be interested. If Ulster was well established and Ulster for the Ullish had applied then I think it would be a different story. A small country being assailed by a larger country to its south but fighting valiantly on determined to resist. There was a bitter aul bitch on Nolan (didn't hear it all). It was about the bomb on the Antrim Rd and she was saying I don't care what happens to the police and if the loyalists here like it so much (being British) why dont they get out and live there and take the Union Jack with them. We're Irish and get out and leave us in peace. Not the exact words but that was the gist ot her tirade. She seemed like she was a foreigner herself....from Eire,and thats the line we should be taking that they are foreigners. When they eventually forced Herbie Ditty to meet the Mayor of Dublin and he was sorta made to accept it he still let them know how he felt when he said...yes I have met him in the Lord Mayor's parlour as I would any dignitary from a foreign country. Well said Herbie. Could you imagine any of the present crap we have doing that. They are to busy now licking their arses.
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RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2011-01-27, 10:29 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Yip, the name Northern Ireland is a rope around our necks. Our Ulster identity and heritage needs to be promoted. As you have said ‘Ireland for the Irish’, ‘Britain for the British’, they are nationalist slogans that people throughout the world can identity with. We need to do the same. On a side note, these free-state fenians who move to Ulster, are worse in their rhetoric than the taigs from here, they are completely brainwashed morons, who must be educated from the republican news. What gets me about the Irish is that they live in their own big bubble and they totally pick and choose their own actual ethnic identity, forgetting and erasing anything that doesn’t fit into their version of the Irish Gaels.
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