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| RSAUB | Date: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 3:34 AM | Message # 46 |
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| I think it is inevitable and mention of Patterson, he is a Unionist and when he first came into the job he seemed very pro-Unionist even wearing a Royal Irish Regiment wrist band and promoting the links with the UUP, but I think he's realised how pathetic Ulster Unionists are and has probably lost faith and has decided to take a back seat and not bother wasting his time any more.
All these loyalists who are promoting the Irish agenda, they are appearing all over, between stupidity and ther own egos and the cheque book Ulster is well and truly buggered! but at least there is some of us who haven't got our heads stuck up our own back-sides!
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| Culzie | Date: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 5:22 PM | Message # 47 |
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| Well said, and while not going all Bibical Gideon had only 300. Yes they don't need a 'Unionist Outreach'programme the Prods are already doing all the reaching out.
Ulster Protestants consider themselves to be a separate nation. This nation they call Ulster
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| RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2012-03-21, 12:41 PM | Message # 48 |
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| A TYRONE pipe band was forced to borrow drums to attend St Patrick’s Day parades in the Republic at the weekend after a number of their instruments were destroyed in an arson attack.
Drums belonging to Augharonan Pipe Band – valued at £8,000 – were damaged in the deliberate blaze at an Orange hall near Seskinore. The rural property was targeted last Thursday night but police only revealed details at the weekend.
It is understood that the perpetrators gained entry to the building through a window, before starting the fire. As well as the damage to up to a dozen drums, the main hall also sustained scorch and smoke damage.
Pipe major Jim McElrath said despite members’ “devastation” at the loss of their percussion instruments, the band was determined to proceed with its St Patrick’s Day itinerary.
The band – a regular participant at cross-community events – has attended the annual parades in Sligo and Ballymote for the past decade. “We salvaged a couple of pieces out of the drum kit,” he told the News Letter.
“We managed to drum on them yesterday (Saturday) and we borrowed some from another band to help us out.”
Hitting out the perpetrators, Mr McElrath said: “We have come through 40 years of IRA bombing and shooting and we had negligible damage to the hall. But there is a more sinister element now and we never had problems until the last couple of years.”
However, Mr McElrath said the band and lodge have been heartened by messages of support from across the community divide since the incident. “It makes us more determined to go on. A lady rang me today from the other side of the community who read the news on Teletext and she was absolutely devastated.”
Despite their misfortune, Augharonan won a prize for their participation on Saturday. Gordon Crawford, a member of Augharonan LOL 462, admitted the hall could have been razed to the ground had the fire not extinguished itself. “It was a blessing,” he said. “They obviously intended to burn it to a cinder.”
Mr Crawford also revealed that the hall was targeted last year. In July, windows were broken at the property prior to the Twelfth. A spokesman for the Orange Grand Lodge also condemned those behind the attack.
The Seskinore blaze came only days after a separate incident at Benraw Orange Hall, near Castlewellan. Last weekend, the hall sustained minor damage after a petrol bomb was thrown at the building. DUP MLA Tom Buchanan also slammed the latest Orange attack. “An attack such as this is not only an attack motivated by sectarian hatred but it is also an attack on a community facility in a rural area,” he said.
“It is very disappointing that there are a still a small number of people who cannot live in peace with their neighbours and that they have marked the St Patrick’s weekend with an attack on the minority Protestant community in west Tyrone.”
A PSNI spokesman urged anyone with information about the incident to contact police in Omagh on 0845 600 8000.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2012-03-21, 6:53 PM | Message # 49 |
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| Theres no doubt that the enemy has changed its method though their goal remains the same. Its time for the honeyed words and a charm offensive and there are those who are only to willing to go for the 'honey-trap' It wasn't always like that,as this excerpt from a book says. However,to days 'loyalists' seemed to have accepted that the leopard has changed its spots,even though their hall and instruments are destroyed. Maybe they have never heard of the 'good cop bad cop' roles
In the late 1950s a goverment information officer urged the Northern Ireland cabinet that it might be wise to 'quietly forget' St Patricks Day and abolish it as a bank holiday. The suggestion was rejected,but it is clear from newspaper reports in the 1950s that for many people St Patrick's Day was 'business as usual'. Many schools dropped it as a holiday and shops and businesses remained open. Correspondents in the unionist press denounced the political overtones of the day in the south. One lettere on 17 March 1961 in the Belfast News Letter stated that 'the day is now chiefly memorable to the average Ulsterman as the day on which repeated threats against his stand for constitutional liberty are pronounced in the republic and on which Ulster's position is vilified thoughout the English speaking world.
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| RSAUB | Date: Wednesday, 2012-03-21, 10:32 PM | Message # 50 |
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| Yip, some people had forward vision, unfortunately prods can't see past the next big parade date.
We just don't seem to understand the concept of forward planning.
Ideally we should have had the lot dropped, changed the name of the IFA, formed our own International Rugby team, really pushed to change the Provinces name to British Ulster or Ulster. We should have really grabbed the momentum and promoted our Province and Identity.
As for this band, while it's bad news that another Orange Hall has been burnt by the vermin, I find it hard to feel sympathy for the band since they were taking part in such a disgusting show of Irishness with those who they obviously feel are their fellow Irishmen.
We have seen how a lot of pipe bands have left the Orange scene and many have become integrated, 30 years ago this wouldn't have been thought possible, I just wonder how long it will take before our loyalist flute bands start to go down this route, we have already seen one taking part in a parade in Limerick and a few others taking part in different themed musical events in the South.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2012-03-21, 11:01 PM | Message # 51 |
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| Yes it was a good move by the social engineers and those in the loyalist side who helped them in their planning of getting young people to come into the web. Bands were the thing to help in their schemes and at the same time instilling in young band members an identity which the young people had maybe never really thought about. Nationalist/republicans have said it repeatedly that their idea was to woo unionists away from a British identity and replace it with an Irish one. They also said they had more chance of doing this with those who thought of themselves as 'being Irish' They can't make it any plainer than that.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 2:03 AM | Message # 52 |
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| Indeed, the proof is there in black and white from a vast-number of sources, they are quite open about their plans. Even a bloody spastic could understand this if they opened their eyes.
They will end up like the sons of Cromwells soldiers, sucked into the big green bog and will emerge more Irish than the bloody Irish.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 3:11 PM | Message # 53 |
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| Well said, and thats the way all have went except for the Protestants of Ulster....up to now. I think the big thing which kept us from being ''sucked into the green bog'' was our different faith,but with the gradual demise of Protestantism and the increase of a secular society that bulwark will on longer be there.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 4:20 PM | Message # 54 |
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| Very true, with the decline of Protestantism the only way we can avoid being swallowed up by the fenian colonisers is to promote and maintain our Ulster identity.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 6:07 PM | Message # 55 |
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| Thats it RSAUB. Thats the way to go and I'm only hoping that some loyalist people can grasp that. As Rev Ingram said ''would that my words were inscribed with a pen of iron on a rock forever. It is Ulster..or oblivion. Northern Ireland has no future''.
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| RSAUB | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 7:24 PM | Message # 56 |
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| Very true at the end of the Day Northern Ireland is still Ireland what ever way you try and dress it up.
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| Culzie | Date: Thursday, 2012-03-22, 9:10 PM | Message # 57 |
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| Yes so very true. As Eric said in the 1950s 'it will forever link us to the roi''.
The crusade to get east and west germany united was primarily driven because of the two names being the same. The points on the compass were ignored and the name was paramount. I don't think there was a crusade to get Germany united with any of the other countries with which they shared a border. Why? well I believe mainly because these countries had a different name from Germany.
Names are very very important as they gave an identity to everything around us and the world would be in chaos without them. Seems 'you know who' has more a grasp of that fact than the 'big drum baters'
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| Culzie | Date: Tuesday, 2012-05-29, 8:53 PM | Message # 58 |
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| Some comments from back a while ago. Not all are from the book mentioned.
Identity In Northern Ireland by Cathal McCall 1999
John Taylor,M.P.[UUP,Deputy Leader subsequently]
Much as I enjoy the Irish and admire many of their cultural pursuits. I have to remind them that we in Northern Ireland are not Irish,we do not jig at the cross-roads,speak Gaelic,play GAA [Gaelic sports] etc. [in the Irish Times,7 December 1993.
Sammy Wilson [DUP]
'It is not my job to promote fiddley-dee music,dancing at the cross-roads and a leprechaun language'[South Belfast Herald and Post 11 January 1996]
Mark Durkan [SDLP Leader]
We have been accused in the past,for instance,of trying to tell Unionists that they are Irish,and that is a mistake that many Irish nationalists have made.
Mitchel McLaughlin[ Sinn Fein]
He questions the self-professed Britishness of Ulster Unionists....'What is wrong with that theory,is first of all,it attempts to obscure or deny that the people who are born on this island are Irish people.'
Nigel Dodds [DUP]
For him,those who see their economic interest best served by remaining within the Union but contend that they have an Irish cultural aspect to their identity cannot define themselves as 'unionist'...
'You have got to be either one or the other. I don't believe in this hybrid business: that you can be British and Irish at the same time. I don't think you can say: 'well it serves me economically to be part of Britain but I really want all of the advantages of being Irish as well'. I think that people,if they live in Northern Ireland are British citizens - they are part of the United Kingdom. If they have an aspiration to be part of another state that is perfectly legitmate provided they pursue that by constitutional and democratic means,by argument and persuasion,not by violence. However,I don't accept this argument that you can have it both ways,at all.
The Ulster Young Unionist Committee [UUP]
The Ulster Young Unionist Committee on Culture contends that for far too long we have been content to neglect our culture while Gaelic nationalism has made every effort and used every opportunity to propound Irish culture. The end result has been that our side of the cultural argument has not been properly heard....for far too many people the term 'Ulster Culture' signifies nothing more than Orangemen parading on the 12th of July [Ulster Young Unionist Council,1986,p.1]
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| RSAUB | Date: Tuesday, 2012-05-29, 11:27 PM | Message # 59 |
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| The writting is there for any-one who want's to open their eyes and see that NI has no future.
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| Culzie | Date: Wednesday, 2012-05-30, 8:11 PM | Message # 60 |
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| True, but trouble is RSAUB that old saying 'there are none as blind as those who don't want to see' applies to a lot of unionists out there.
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